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This article should get things rolling this morning in the Cafe
(Reuters) - Arizona Governor Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill banning abortion providers like Planned Parenthood from receiving money through the state, her office said in a statement.
The Republican-backed Whole Woman's Health Funding Priority Act cuts off funding for family planning and health services delivered by Planned Parenthood clinics and other organizations offering abortions.
"By signing this measure into law I stand with the majority of Americans who oppose the use of taxpayer funds for abortion," Brewer said in a statement.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84402Y20120505
Arizona already bars use of public money for abortions except to save the life of the mother. But anti-abortion legislators and other supporters of the bill say the broader prohibition is needed to ensure no public money indirectly supports abortion services.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_1...d-funding-ban/
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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legislating womens' bodies....awesome!
 Originally Posted by CombatTargeteer
I trust 57
Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman
He is the messiah.
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Originally Posted by Huskers57
legislating womens' bodies....awesome!
Protecting women's bodies in the womb...awesome!
“We want a society where people are free to make choices, to make mistakes, to be generous and compassionate. This is what we mean by a moral society; not a society where the state is responsible for everything, and no one is responsible for the state.” ― Margaret Thatcher.
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Originally Posted by Huskers57
legislating womens' bodies....awesome!
I am personaly against abortion.
In response to your post, for women who demand complete control of their body, nice job of responsibly controlling their own body when they end up with an unwanted pregnancy.
Kind of like a medical mulligan involving life.
In Roe v Wade the Supreme Court judges based the decision on drawing a line between being human and being a person, a fetus is a human, but not a person and only a person is afforded protection under the 14th Amendment. Go figure...
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land
I am personaly against abortion.
In response to your post, for women who demand complete control of their body, nice job of responsibly controlling their own body when they end up with an unwanted pregnancy.
Kind of like a medical mulligan involving life.
In Roe v Wade the Supreme Court judges based the decision on drawing a line between being human and being a person, a fetus is a human, but not a person and only a person is afforded protection under the 14th Amendment. Go figure...
And a corporation is a person but not a human being so you can't abort a corporation...
“We want a society where people are free to make choices, to make mistakes, to be generous and compassionate. This is what we mean by a moral society; not a society where the state is responsible for everything, and no one is responsible for the state.” ― Margaret Thatcher.
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Kudos to Arizona and Mrs. Brewer! 
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
“Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.” -- (Benjamin Franklin)
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I hope more states follow this. I wouldn't want my money funding murder either.
I used to have superpowers.....but my therapist took them away...
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Red Shirt
"We are most concerned about the women and men who could be forced to go without health care as a result of this bill," Bryan Howard, Planned Parenthood Arizona's president and CEO, said in a prepared statement.
"We remain committed to providing Arizona communities with the professional, nonjudgmental and confidential health care they have relied on for 78 years," Howard said.
Laws like this only effect you if you want to run an organization that relies on the government to exist. No one is going to be "forced" to do anything as they still have a choice and if PPH is so concerned, it seems to me they can stop offering abortions and take the government money or start soliciting private donations.
I believe in a woman's right to choose, but that does not mean the taxpayer should fund her choice.
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Originally Posted by Ogahusker
I hope more states follow this. I wouldn't want my money funding murder either.
Me too like Texas...They did the same here and are ending up in court and losing. Clinics are now opening back up with even more support
 
For every minute you remain angry, you give up sixty seconds of peace of mind.
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The Regressives war on Women continues!
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They key here is that the money that was going to Planned Parenthood needs to go someplace else instead. There are organizations out there that do all of the good things that Planned Parenthood does -- prenatal care for indigent moms to be, ultrasounds, counseling, financial assistance, etc. -- but that do not also perform abortions. The money that was going to Planned Parenthood to support these things should at least be redirected there. If it does not, the net effect of laws like this may be to make it harder for a poor single mother to bring a baby into this world, thus increasing the incidence of abortions.
To be clear, I have no problem with this particular law. PP is responsible for more abortions than any other organization, and I don't think they should receive a nickel in taxpayer dollars. That said, I have a problem with the direction that anti-abortion movement is heading legislatively, particularly with some of these ultrasound laws that are being proposed. Instead of trying to shame women into choosing life, which will only drive people away from the pro-life cause, let's instead treat women dealing with an unwanted pregnancy with compassion, and try to help her in any way possible so that the decision to choose life is easier. I'd love to see a law, for instance, that greatly enhanced the financial penalties on fathers who refuse to support pregnant mothers.
"The distinctive mark of the Christian, today more than ever, must be love for the poor, the weak, the suffering." Pope John Paul II
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Originally Posted by Pops
Me too like Texas...They did the same here and are ending up in court and losing. Clinics are now opening back up with even more support
Well those people that support abortion can fund the clinics.
I don't have the number available but PP board and executive committee did draw so much in salary they probably wouldn't need tax payer funding.
“We want a society where people are free to make choices, to make mistakes, to be generous and compassionate. This is what we mean by a moral society; not a society where the state is responsible for everything, and no one is responsible for the state.” ― Margaret Thatcher.
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Originally Posted by Pops
Me too like Texas...They did the same here and are ending up in court and losing. Clinics are now opening back up with even more support
It doesn't appear that they've opened back up for abortions in Texas, which is a good thing. It is still illegal to provide state funds to abortion clinics.
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
“Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.” -- (Benjamin Franklin)
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Originally Posted by ChitownHusker
They key here is that the money that was going to Planned Parenthood needs to go someplace else instead. There are organizations out there that do all of the good things that Planned Parenthood does -- prenatal care for indigent moms to be, ultrasounds, counseling, financial assistance, etc. -- but that do not also perform abortions. The money that was going to Planned Parenthood to support these things should at least be redirected there. If it does not, the net effect of laws like this may be to make it harder for a poor single mother to bring a baby into this world, thus increasing the incidence of abortions.
To be clear, I have no problem with this particular law. PP is responsible for more abortions than any other organization, and I don't think they should receive a nickel in taxpayer dollars. That said, I have a problem with the direction that anti-abortion movement is heading legislatively, particularly with some of these ultrasound laws that are being proposed. Instead of trying to shame women into choosing life, which will only drive people away from the pro-life cause, let's instead treat women dealing with an unwanted pregnancy with compassion, and try to help her in any way possible so that the decision to choose life is easier. I'd love to see a law, for instance, that greatly enhanced the financial penalties on fathers who refuse to support pregnant mothers.
Yeah, I think you can offset the charge of waging war on women if they simply earmark the money for other organizations offering similar health services, but not performing abortions.
I also agree with you regarding placing more responsibility on the father, and demanding his accountability. Making both a baby and his/her mother feel welcomed and safe would be a huge first step.
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Originally Posted by SealBeachHusker
Yeah, I think you can offset the charge of waging war on women if they simply earmark the money for other organizations offering similar health services, but not performing abortions.
I also agree with you regarding placing more responsibility on the father, and demanding his accountability. Making both a baby and his/her mother feel welcomed and safe would be a huge first step.
I agree with you.
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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix
The Regressives war on Women continues!
Originally Posted by CornfieldCounty
You get so wrapped up in the proverbial "its all about me and my" that you loose not only your creditability but any resemblance of intelligence.
Originally Posted by Sonuvahusker
I'm reaching the point of becoming a lunatic here
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Originally Posted by redmachine
It doesn't appear that they've opened back up for abortions in Texas, which is a good thing. It is still illegal to provide state funds to abortion clinics.
Due time my friend due time....There are corporations in Texas that have donated money to the clinics so they could open back up and yes they are performing abortion....But we also have to realize not all PP clinics preform abortions yet the state has withheld their funding as well. Sometimes PP is the only clinic a woman go go for the type of services they provide
For every minute you remain angry, you give up sixty seconds of peace of mind.
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I aint saying it's right, but it is their right to say where the state money goes. States rights and all.
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Originally Posted by Pops
Due time my friend due time....There are corporations in Texas that have donated money to the clinics so they could open back up and yes they are performing abortion....But we also have to realize not all PP clinics preform abortions yet the state has withheld their funding as well. Sometimes PP is the only clinic a woman go go for the type of services they provide
Repeal of Roe v. Wade: in due time...in due time. 
Outside of that, I personally have no problem with clinics/organizations that provide services, other than abortion, for women.
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
“Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.” -- (Benjamin Franklin)
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I find it funny that a lot of people that want tighter reigns on Gov't subsidies also want abortions to be illegal. I wonder how many of the abortions would end up being supported on the Gov't dole?
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