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    Quote Originally Posted by HuttoHusker View Post
    They actually insinuated the reason Bo riped T-Mart at the AM game was because of performance. They rip T-Mart pretty good and were laughing at him. I hope T-Mart and the whole team watch this and come out with their hair on fire this season.... GBR
    I would hope that TM's own performance would be enough to make him want to improve, not some irrelevant talking heads on ESPN.
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    IMO, it's hard to disagree with the view that TM has to elevate his game, and the defense has to get better.

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    It's been a long time since Nebraska really and truly had a big time moment. Every time the Huskers looked as if they had it going, they fell on their face. So it's not unexpected that the national pundits don't hand us some love. Go back to when Devaney and Osborne walked the sidelines and they blew off the so called national pundits. To them it was all about doing it the old fashion way and earning the respect with deeds. Nebraska had a few of those big moments back then. Beating Alabama, LSU, Miami, Florida, Oklahoma, Tennessee and the rest when they were on top. It will happen again. It may even happen soon. Right now we seem to be inching closer but this isn't an easy league and the rules are about parity.

    LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas, Florida have advantages in population and climate that gives them the edge. We have overcome that before with doing all the little things right, that cut down their advantage. Throwing the old system away because we wanted to be like them was a mistake. Little by little we are getting back to what made us relevant. Still maybe a year away from having those veteran teams with fifth year seniors all over the depth charts. It's been difficult piecing the old formula back, but it is happening as we type out our takes of the situation.

    Nothing really worth while comes easy. We got spoiled and as often happens lost our way in our arrogance. This college game is cyclical. USC came back after being less than relevant. So did Alabama. Michigan stumbled. If you really work hard and not get distracted by the talking heads the cream does rise. No matter how hard you shake the bottle it keeps rising. With the passion the fans have it will keep rising. Too many unbelievers and maybe it doesn't rise quite as fast. Keep the faith and don't believe everything the outsiders have to say. For now they are mostly right and someday soon they will reluctantly find some love for us. It's about doing what works for little engine that could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedOhio View Post
    Actually, I think we'll bury Michigan. The blowout from last year had more to do with 5 special teams miscues than it did with Michigan. They had a charmed season last year and will lose 4-5 games this year.
    And, there's no way a Pelini coached team will make miscues like that year after year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuttoHusker View Post
    They actually insinuated the reason Bo riped T-Mart at the AM game was because of performance. They rip T-Mart pretty good and were laughing at him. I hope T-Mart and the whole team watch this and come out with their hair on fire this season.... GBR
    Yeah. No way it could of been that, had to be the cell phone thinggy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatest Fan of All View Post
    Yeah. No way it could of been that, had to be the cell phone thinggy.
    Probably was both....like when people walk home and find their wife in bed with someone else AND no dinner is on the table. AKA, the perfect storm...

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    I have to admit, I found it hard to argue with most of what they said. Overall, their outlook is more pessimistic than mine, but that is to be expected. Like it or not, the national media isn't going to jump on the bandwagon until we give them proof that we have turned the corner. I'm used to NU not getting the benefit of the doubt and it makes it all the more sweeter when we prove them wrong!

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    Agree with G33, we need to give them a reason to believe in us, and we havent exactly given anyone a reason to believe in anything since the Okla St game ------ the burden falls on us

    I think we have the team that can do this, but there is plenty of talent in the big 10, Mich, Mich St, Ohio St, Wisc, Penn St, Iowa, all have the talent to beat us, and they all have the ability to finish in the top 15. We will need to ball to bounce our way for a change, much like mich had last year. We need to make it happen, and get a few breaks. But we have the team that can do it. We need to take the next step, Which is either confr champs or 11 wins before a bowl game if we lose the ccg
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    Pretty fair. I don't like many, if any, ESPN personalities. They said "Martinez is ugly throwing the ball" many of us, myself included, say that on this board. The only thing that was bad was that they made it seem like Bo was blowing up on Martinez because of his performance. That was because he called daddy. Still Bo shouldn't blow up. I didn't think they ripped us. Pretty fair ESPN-like "analysis."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bigred View Post
    The ESPN heads had a lot of negatives to report about the Huskers upcoming 2012 season. And they seemed to have fun doing it. This would be a nice motivational video for the coaches and team to watch. It would be great to prove them wrong.
    Until we become relevant again, the talking heads can laugh.

    http://www.huskermax.com/games/2012/vid/00/z14.html
    Not surprising. Take a look at the pedigree of the panel and it is painfully obvious why they are Nebraska haters.

    Kirk Herbstreit - Ohio State
    Desmond Howard - Michigan
    Robert Smith - Ohio State
    Jesse Palmer - Florida (Who did NU destroy in the 1995 Fiesta Bowl?) Actually, Palmer was trying to be objective with his criticism.
    Mark Schlabach - Georgia (SEC columnist for ESPN who has a "Bottom 10" article weekly on the worst D-1A schools in football. Clearly, a hater.)

    So, that's 3 out of 5 panelists who are from the B1G Ten.

    Classic ESPN!!!!!!!

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    Can't say we haven't heard a lot of what they were saying on this board, so why it matters that guys from ESPN say it, I'm not sure. If we're all going to be honest with ourselves, much of what they said is true. This is Martinez's first time getting the same system and we all know our offense will only go how far he can carry it or avoid holding it up. I don't need to see the 80 yard TD run like vs Wash 2 years ago or the 300+ yard passing game vs Okie State, I just want to see him cut down on the devastating mistakes. Throw the ball away or take the sack, but please avoid the bad decisions. If he does this, I could care less what his throwing motion looks like. Same goes for the offensive line - avoid the mistakes. Cut down on penalties and turnovers - we've all been saying this for the past few years so hopefully this will be the year.

    Also anything they said re: the defense is true and we've probably all said it or thought it. We need more push from the front four. Will Compton will need to be the vocal leader of the defense. Our secondary will need a few guys to step up as well. And we did lose some big pieces on defense that will not be replaced immediately. And our schedule is tough, perhaps tougher than last year.

    If it weren't for all these challenges, none of us would be interacting on this board though so onward to August and whatever may lie ahead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedOhio View Post
    Actually, I think we'll bury Michigan. The blowout from last year had more to do with 5 special teams miscues than it did with Michigan. They had a charmed season last year and will lose 4-5 games this year.
    I had a different take. They were mashing us at the line of scrimmage. At halftime I thought "we're gonna get killed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskon4ever! View Post
    Can't say we haven't heard a lot of what they were saying on this board, so why it matters that guys from ESPN say it, I'm not sure. If we're all going to be honest with ourselves, much of what they said is true. This is Martinez's first time getting the same system and we all know our offense will only go how far he can carry it or avoid holding it up. I don't need to see the 80 yard TD run like vs Wash 2 years ago or the 300+ yard passing game vs Okie State, I just want to see him cut down on the devastating mistakes. Throw the ball away or take the sack, but please avoid the bad decisions. If he does this, I could care less what his throwing motion looks like. Same goes for the offensive line - avoid the mistakes. Cut down on penalties and turnovers - we've all been saying this for the past few years so hopefully this will be the year.

    Also anything they said re: the defense is true and we've probably all said it or thought it. We need more push from the front four. Will Compton will need to be the vocal leader of the defense. Our secondary will need a few guys to step up as well. And we did lose some big pieces on defense that will not be replaced immediately. And our schedule is tough, perhaps tougher than last year.

    If it weren't for all these challenges, none of us would be interacting on this board though so onward to August and whatever may lie ahead!
    I agree that hyper-analyzing our team can get exhausting. However, a few points must be brought to the table. Even with 3 NFL caliber players at each level, our D last year ranked 84th last year in sacks and 112th in tackles for loss. I doubt Tommie Frazier could hold a lead under those defensive efforts. Currently, Taylor has a lot of room for improvement but the Blackshirts need to step it up this year. I'm actually amazed there hasn't been more banter on how poorly the defensive line, linebacking core, and secondary played last year. For the exception of the Michigan St. game, the blackshirts really didn't stop any team all season long.

    In summation, with all of the poor production defensively, we still went 9-4. Bo's doing a good job. He's won 9 or 10 games a season since he was hired.

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    My biggest beef, other than most of the "experts" on ESPN are nothing more than baffoons, is how unprofessional they are. Yeah, we know TM has his flaws, but they are supposed to be professional analysts/broadcasters. Act like it.

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    There are things we need to work on, no doubt. That's true with most teams across the country.

    Many of the things they brought up were legitimate areas that our team recognizes and are working on.

    Looking at the panel, and picking up on a telling comment near the end of the show and it became apparent why they were laying it on so thick.

    Over half of this panel of "experts" were former players from Big Ten teams that a year ago had to hear and participate in a constant barrage of Nebraska love, how Nebraska was going to come in and dominate the Big Ten. We didn't, this was their opportunity to "pile on".

    Personally, we had much to overcome last year. With the coaching changes and new conference seeing many teams for the first time we needed a lot of things to go right. To be honest, I still feel the majority of our struggles last year had more to do with injuries to our interior linemen on both sides of the ball last year. Although Bo didn't play them up, and in many cases didn't report them at al, which I understand but increases the opportunity to criticize by those that are looking for a reasonl, you could see by the participation report and playing time that we were juggling around these issues all around.

    Building depth is not a one year thing. It's something Bo and his staff have been working for steadily since taking over the disaster left after 2007 with many positions that had been undermanned. It looks like we've made serious headway in that area, and with a little luck and good health we may be able to make the Big Ten critics celebration over our first year conference struggles shortlived.

    Keep the big guys healthy and mean and everybody else looks like they've improved in leaps and bounds as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porkchopexpress View Post
    My biggest beef, other than most of the "experts" on ESPN are nothing more than baffoons, is how unprofessional they are. Yeah, we know TM has his flaws, but they are supposed to be professional analysts/broadcasters. Act like it.
    Hopefully, they'll give Tmart some good bulletin-board material. Many a great athlete uses "prove the doubters wrong" for motivation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhoie View Post
    I had a different take. They were mashing us at the line of scrimmage. At halftime I thought "we're gonna get killed."
    I felt similarly. For the brave enough - watch this video of our offense trying to eek out yards against Michigan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnepI46utc4
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    Ahhh, the excuses continue. We're not the SEC, the analysts came from big ten schools, ESPN hates Nebraska...waaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaahh.... Other the the Bo blowing up at ATM, what were they wrong about? The reality is that without significant improvement, we're a four loss team, if not more. They nailed it with what they said about T-Mart and the D-Line. They're saying the same thing the observant folks here are saying. But hey, it's easier to shoot the messenger. UCLA, Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Iowa...that's 6 games I wouldn't pencil in "W"s on , and we already proved that Northwestern can kick our but when we're not focused...and we always have a not focused game. We are two injuries away from praying for a .500 season.

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    Almost none of those plays had a push by the o-line

    I've got some more respect for Martinez and Burkhead finding seams after watching that. Almost every pass play a Michigan defender breaks loose and starts gunning for Martinez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckTownHusker View Post
    I doubt Kain Colter. Yes, he had a banner game against Nebraska with 1 passing TD and 2 more on the ground.

    However, he did not score another single point the rest of the regular season. It wasn't until their bowl game against the Aggies that he finally found the endzone again. That included games against Rice, Minnesota and Michigan State.

    I realize he was also playing mop-up duty for Dan Persa, but his numbers were all over the map last year. If you look at the box scores, he was responsible for 50% or more of the total points in several games last year. We were also without Jared Crick by that time, and I'm willing to bet that Crick's presence would have helped to contain Colter better. If Pelini can dial up the pass rush in 2012, I see no reason why we can't steamroll Northwestern.

    Remember Taylor Martinez? The guy who dominated Oklahoma State in a Stillwater Shootout? Or ran over KState? Yeah, that's the same guy who choked against Wisconsin and Oklahoma in the Big 12 CCG. Colter is much the same.
    Regarding Colter ... yes, he didn't play as much after the Nebraska game. But also realize, he was a very mobile, duel-threat QB, which Nebraska defenses have had plenty of problems stopping. Other defenses seem to be able to. Same thing with Denard Robinson. He feasted on the Huskers last season -- while I saw multiple other teams give him fits.

    I think it would be silly to discount Colter -- and coming into this season, he is the man -- and will be getting more reps in practice and be much better prepared than last season. Not to say Northwestern will beat Nebraska, but it is to say that we'd be crazy to just assume it's a win.


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