Ron Brown issue/discussion wonderfully articulated...

[Cardinal]

So if child molesters (a group of people with a sexual preference) are found to be "born with" that preference.....which some say they "are" born with it and cant "help" it.......they should not be discriminated against?

Most __________________ of the year. (Fill in the blank with any words you want; out of the many different words that could be inserted here, for self-preservation purposes I choose "ignorant post")

[Husker Mort]

So if child molesters (a group of people with a sexual preference) are found to be "born with" that preference.....which some say they "are" born with it and cant "help" it.......they should not be discriminated against?

Obvious repugnant comparison aside, child molesters are a subset of the population who have knowingly surrendered certain rights through criminal behavior. If you would like to criminalize homosexuality, you would have the support of several, but not the constitution as the consensual expression of that lifestyle does not infringe on the rights of others. But even child molesters have more liberties in some areas than gay citizens.

[Husker Mort]

Most __________________ of the year. (Fill in the blank with any words you want; out of the many different words that would describe the quoted passage, for self-preservation purposes I choose "ignorant post")

I'm going to give davey the benefit of the doubt and go with "oblivious".

[ThotDoc]

I don't think that will ever happen, though.

I hope not, but there are people who believe that the best way to teach your children about sex is to introduce them to it in the family. There is lots of wackiness out there.

[Showman]

I hope not, but there are people who believe that the best way to teach your children about sex is to introduce them to it in the family. There is lots of wackiness out there.

There may well be a few, but I don't see that snowballing into a movement.

[hskrdavey]

I'm not sure if it was or not, but perhaps the point is that societal mores have changed over time (eg. homosexuality) and perhaps one should be careful about certain generalizations about what is perceived as aberrant or not. Homosexulaity was perceived as aberrant by most and now perhaps not by most. Davey may have been making the point of what happens if our society continue to morph in such a way that sex with children is more mainstream.

THAT. Spot on Doc. It's what we seem as acceptable now...vs in the past.. and bout what wacko's may deem as acceptable in the future.

[hskrdavey]

50 years ago most people thought Homosexuality was a horrible sin and not accepted...and even against the law in some places. Now it's accepted.

Whats going to be accepted 50 years from now?

Have we gotten "smarter" over these 50 years...or just more ignorant...

[Huskers57]

50 years ago most people thought Homosexuality was a horrible sin and not accepted...and even against the law in some places. Now it's accepted.

Whats going to be accepted 50 years from now?

Have we gotten "smarter" over these 50 years...or just more ignorant...

smarter, and more open-not so closeminded. There is a whole new world out there.

[hskrdavey]

smarter, and more open-not so closeminded. There is a whole new world out there.

...and at what point do we close our minds and finally say to ourselves....ok...that's probably crossing the line as a society???

[Huskers57]

...and at what point do we close our minds and finally say to ourselves....ok...that's probably crossing the line as a society???

it's called common sense.

[OmaHusker]

Ron Brown does not speak for Christians or Christianity. He speaks for Ron Brown.

An opinion on an anti-discrimination ordinance has nothing to do with Faith.

Ron Brown may believe that homosexuality is a sin, but there are many Christians who don't agree with him. Of course, there are many who do.

Either way, discriminating against any group is wrong. Homosexuality will continue with or without Ron Brown's opinion. However, too many opinions such as his has allowed a group of people to be discriminated against.

And yes, they are a distinct group. We made them so by ostracizing them in a messed up interpretation of the Bible.


PS -- Mods, shouldn't this be in the Cafe?

So if child molesters (a group of people with a sexual preference) are found to be "born with" that preference.....which some say they "are" born with it and cant "help" it.......they should not be discriminated against?

Take your blinders off people. davey is not comparing pedophiles to homosexuals. He's contending the statement that no group should be discriminated against. Agree or disagree with that but don't get on his case because you come to the table predisposed to voice your anti-homophobia.

[hskrdavey]

it's called common sense.

..or ignorance.

[Huskers57]

..or ignorance.

it's not ignorance if common sense was utilized.

[ChitownHusker]

That's what you call a false analogy.

Just a little bit.

[OmaHusker]

But even child molesters have more liberties in some areas than gay citizens.

Such as?

[ChitownHusker]

Whether you think it should be or not, isn't sodomy still a crime in some states?

No.

[ChitownHusker]

THAT. Spot on Doc. It's what we seem as acceptable now...vs in the past.. and bout what wacko's may deem as acceptable in the future.

Consent is the difference. Children are not capable of consent to a sexual act.

[Huskers57]

Consent is the difference. Children are not capable of consent to a sexual act.

man...if I could have made gotten with my math teacher in elementary school, I would have been HAPPY!

[ChitownHusker]

...and at what point do we close our minds and finally say to ourselves....ok...that's probably crossing the line as a society???

You draw the line at consent. You don't criminalize behavior because it is considered by some to be sinful. You have to have a secular, non-religious basis for criminalizing behavior, and there is no such basis when it comes to homosexuality.

[OmaHusker]

Consent is the difference. Children are not capable of consent to a sexual act.

Pedophilia was an accepted practice in ancient Greece. If merely social norms dictate acceptable practices, it could conceivably be accepted again in any culture.