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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlack&Blue View Post
    Ron Brown does not speak for Christians or Christianity. He speaks for Ron Brown.

    An opinion on an anti-discrimination ordinance has nothing to do with Faith.

    Ron Brown may believe that homosexuality is a sin, but there are many Christians who don't agree with him. Of course, there are many who do.

    Either way, discriminating against any group is wrong. Homosexuality will continue with or without Ron Brown's opinion. However, too many opinions such as his has allowed a group of people to be discriminated against.

    And yes, they are a distinct group. We made them so by ostracizing them in a messed up interpretation of the Bible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hskrdavey View Post
    So if child molesters (a group of people with a sexual preference) are found to be "born with" that preference.....which some say they "are" born with it and cant "help" it.......they should not be discriminated against?
    Take your blinders off people. davey is not comparing pedophiles to homosexuals. He's contending the statement that no group should be discriminated against. Agree or disagree with that but don't get on his case because you come to the table predisposed to voice your anti-homophobia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    it's called common sense.
    ..or ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskrdavey View Post
    ..or ignorance.
    it's not ignorance if common sense was utilized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Showman View Post
    That's what you call a false analogy.

    Just a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husker Mort View Post
    But even child molesters have more liberties in some areas than gay citizens.
    Such as?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThotDoc View Post
    Whether you think it should be or not, isn't sodomy still a crime in some states?
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hskrdavey View Post
    THAT. Spot on Doc. It's what we seem as acceptable now...vs in the past.. and bout what wacko's may deem as acceptable in the future.
    Consent is the difference. Children are not capable of consent to a sexual act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownHusker View Post
    Consent is the difference. Children are not capable of consent to a sexual act.
    man...if I could have made gotten with my math teacher in elementary school, I would have been HAPPY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskrdavey View Post
    ...and at what point do we close our minds and finally say to ourselves....ok...that's probably crossing the line as a society???
    You draw the line at consent. You don't criminalize behavior because it is considered by some to be sinful. You have to have a secular, non-religious basis for criminalizing behavior, and there is no such basis when it comes to homosexuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownHusker View Post
    Consent is the difference. Children are not capable of consent to a sexual act.
    Pedophilia was an accepted practice in ancient Greece. If merely social norms dictate acceptable practices, it could conceivably be accepted again in any culture.

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    50 years ago African Americans were getting strung up in the south for wanting to drink out of the same water fountains as whites. We rightly look back in shame at the way things used to be. We'll probably do the same regarding gay marriage in 50 years. There's no logical argument to made against it, it's prejudice and fear. There are plenty of logical arguments to be made against sex with children. Again, it's a false analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husker Mort View Post
    But even child molesters have more liberties in some areas than gay citizens.
    Congratulations Mort on coming up with the left-wing corrollary to huskrdavy's ridiculous statement. Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHusker View Post
    Pedophilia was an accepted practice in ancient Greece. If merely social norms dictate acceptable practices, it could conceivably be accepted again in any culture.
    Social norms should never dictate acceptable practices. We are not a theocracy. There should be a secular rationale for every law on the books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThotDoc View Post
    I'm not sure if it was or not, but perhaps the point is that societal mores have changed over time (eg. homosexuality) and perhaps one should be careful about certain generalizations about what is perceived as aberrant or not. Homosexulaity was perceived as aberrant by most and now perhaps not by most. Davey may have been making the point of what happens if our society continue to morph in such a way that sex with children is more mainstream.
    Society acknowledging that two people of the same sex can have a consensual, fulfilling and beneficial relationship by outlawing discrimination based on homosexuality isn't a step on a logic progression line toward society accepting non-consensual relationships between adults and children.

    They aren't even in the same sport, let alone league.
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    To clear the record. 1st off.. I'm not a homophobe. 2nd. I have a couple close friends that are homosexuals. I honestly do NOT care what they do in the privacy of their own home. One believes that he should not be discriminated against and should be equal to everyone.....the other actually thinks its "taking advantage of a situation" to use his sexual preference as a means to be put on equal ground via the law. To him, he believes he has made a choice and that he wasn't born with it. In fact...he would say that he leans more towards being "bi-sexual". Should that "GROUP" (Bi-Sexuals) not be discriminated against? Where does it stop?

    My concern is what we as a society deem as acceptable BEHAVIOR via the court of law. It's going down the wrong road.







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