Presidential Address from Afghanistan

[HuZkurZ]

So is it our job to set their houses in order when our own is dysfunctional?

Our direct incursions into the middle east have brought us 30+ years of trouble, and two costly wars.

It's not an area we belong in, any more than we should have remained in SE Asia.

Time to get out, for good. And the fastest way out is energy independence (domestic production is at an all time high, and green initiatives abound, so we're on the right track).

Ok, ok. Take a deep breath. I thought it was an interesting read. Personally, I would love it if we pulled out of the middle east and let them fend for themselves but, I don't think that's realistic for a myriad of reasons.

In addition. If you read the article you could take away that perhaps we shouldn't meddle in other countries like we've done in the past.

[nems]

really? in this trip to afghanistan, an agreement was signed for bilateral cooperation through 2024...what agreement was signed on USS Abraham Lincoln????

A bilateral cooperation agreement through 2024, huh?

[OmaHusker]

really? in this trip to afghanistan, an agreement was signed for bilateral cooperation through 2024...what agreement was signed on USS Abraham Lincoln????

that agreement is not worth the paper it's written on. 100% PR.

[Huskers57]

A bilateral cooperation agreement through 2024, huh?

my bad, i read the information wrong, it's just a bilateral cooperation agreement once we withdraw in 2014...

The remarks came just hours after he and Afghan President Hamid Karzai put their signatures to a far-reaching pact that will govern U.S. support for Afghanistan after U.S. combat forces are gone at the end of 2014.The nine-page pact comprises a preamble and seven provisions covering all facets of the future relationship, from a U.S. vow to help defend Afghanistan against al-Qaeda and other threats, to Kabul's commitment to "inclusive and pluralistic democratic governance, including free, fair and transparent elections."

Obama, Karzai sign long-term accord in Afghanistan - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/commented/...#ixzz1tjK1d4dy

[nems]

my bad, i read the information wrong, it's just a bilateral cooperation agreement once we withdraw in 2014...

The remarks came just hours after he and Afghan President Hamid Karzai put their signatures to a far-reaching pact that will govern U.S. support for Afghanistan after U.S. combat forces are gone at the end of 2014.The nine-page pact comprises a preamble and seven provisions covering all facets of the future relationship, from a U.S. vow to help defend Afghanistan against al-Qaeda and other threats, to Kabul's commitment to "inclusive and pluralistic democratic governance, including free, fair and transparent elections."

Obama, Karzai sign long-term accord in Afghanistan - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/commented/...#ixzz1tjK1d4dy

Well then. Mission accomplished!

[Huskers57]

Well then. Mission accomplished!

nope. not even close, but it's a step in the right direction.

[OmaHusker]

my bad, i read the information wrong, it's just a bilateral cooperation agreement once we withdraw in 2014...

The remarks came just hours after he and Afghan President Hamid Karzai put their signatures to a far-reaching pact that will govern U.S. support for Afghanistan after U.S. combat forces are gone at the end of 2014.The nine-page pact comprises a preamble and seven provisions covering all facets of the future relationship, from a U.S. vow to help defend Afghanistan against al-Qaeda and other threats, to Kabul's commitment to "inclusive and pluralistic democratic governance, including free, fair and transparent elections."

Obama, Karzai sign long-term accord in Afghanistan - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/commented/...#ixzz1tjK1d4dy

What's different from the current arrangement?

[RedBlack&Blue]

Ok, ok. Take a deep breath. I thought it was an interesting read. Personally, I would love it if we pulled out of the middle east and let them fend for themselves but, I don't think that's realistic for a myriad of reasons.

Um, I am breathing and not upset in the least.

No it's not realistic to assume we'll leave the mideast, and as long as we need oil (which we will for a long time), we've got interests there.

But, the strategy of direct intervention is costly and ripe for failure.

[HuZkurZ]

A bilateral cooperation agreement through 2024, huh?

my bad, i read the information wrong, it's just a bilateral cooperation agreement once we withdraw in 2014...

The remarks came just hours after he and Afghan President Hamid Karzai put their signatures to a far-reaching pact that will govern U.S. support for Afghanistan after U.S. combat forces are gone at the end of 2014.The nine-page pact comprises a preamble and seven provisions covering all facets of the future relationship, from a U.S. vow to help defend Afghanistan against al-Qaeda and other threats, to Kabul's commitment to "inclusive and pluralistic democratic governance, including free, fair and transparent elections."

Obama, Karzai sign long-term accord in Afghanistan - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/commented/...#ixzz1tjK1d4dy

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[Huskers57]

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uncalled for. I admit a mistake and noted as such. I can't say the same about you.

[HuZkurZ]

Um, I am breathing and not upset in the least.

No it's not realistic to assume we'll leave the mideast, and as long as we need oil (which we will for a long time), we've got interests there.

But, the strategy of direct intervention is costly and ripe for failure.

ok.

[HuZkurZ]

Lol. I just admitted one on obama saves billions, 57.

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EDIT: Thanks for removal of calling me a nitwit, I don't think any of the mods saw it. You can thank me for not replying to your quote, which would have preserved it.

[Husker Mort]

hrkrz (and 57 to a lesser extant),
Since I started the thread I know that nobody is keeping score and it is not a bout, so the punching references are, as usual, unnecessary. Let's try to stay on topic, please, as there was some good conversation going before you brought your issues in.

[HuZkurZ]

hrkrz (and 57 to a lesser extant),
Since I started the thread I know that nobody is keeping score and it is not a bout, so the punching references are, as usual, unnecessary. Let's try to stay on topic, please, as there was some good conversation going before you brought your issues in.

Of course, 57 to a lesser extent* because personal attacks aren't nearly as heinous as a punching photo.

[OmaHusker]

uncalled for. I admit a mistake and noted as such.

Truth.

[Huskermedic]

It is interesting that the president is all secret about his trip but tells the talaban when we are pulling our troops out.

So far the public time line is my big criticism of this president on the war on terror. I don't think the Bush plan had a permanent base either.

I am one to agree with chi, we need a base in both countries. Put it out in the middle of know were with a mile of sand around it and you will see them coming. You want a base there so they will spend there resources fighting it instead of planning attack on the us.

[LutheranHusker]

Setting aside the issues of what was said in the speech...I read a reporter's "behind the scenes" account of going there and getting out, and it was really cool. Reminded me a lot of a similar behind the scenes documentary I think that was on the History Channel? a couple of years ago showing a Bush visit to Iraq. No matter who the president is, what it takes to pull off this kind of visit in a dangerous part of the world is just amazing.

[Pops]

Is it fair to say that during Obama's term, we made zero progress in Afghanistan?

Sure seems so.

the great or even the better military minds than yours would disagree

[Pops]

It is interesting that the president is all secret about his trip but tells the talaban when we are pulling our troops out.

So far the public time line is my big criticism of this president on the war on terror. I don't think the Bush plan had a permanent base either.

I am one to agree with chi, we need a base in both countries. Put it out in the middle of know were with a mile of sand around it and you will see them coming. You want a base there so they will spend there resources fighting it instead of planning attack on the us.

I'm glad the military minds are getting together on this...could you all explain to us dummies why a base would be good?

[Husker Mort]

I'm glad the military minds are getting together on this...could you all explain to us dummies why a base would be good?

...guess not. It seems like everything goes quiet when the President comes out with an obviously centrist proposal.