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    Quote Originally Posted by The Impaler View Post
    Disagree with the one weeks notice thing, teams that are good enough will have a whole year to prepare for the possibility of hosting a semi or quarter game.
    I see your point and it is correct in many aspects of the pre-game planning - such as how tickets will be allocated, where visiting "dignitaries" will be planted in the stadium, etc. But some aspects of hosting an onslaught of people into a small college town require expenditure of assets to begin preparation far in advance of one week. Asking hotels to keep rooms available that they might otherwise would have been able to book, asking catering services to not fully book that weekend so as to leave open enough personnel and other assets for that weekend in case there is a game, etc.

    As I said above, that discussion with the A.D. opened my eyes to a gaggle of complexities that arise with regard to hosting a game that I would have never been able to come up with myself. I bet a dollar to a donut that those type of issues are what is causing the conferences and the NCAA/BCS to not be able to come to a conclusion about whether to host the playoff games on campus. In a vacuum it seems like a great idea to us college football lovers, but to the people who have to actually make it happen the view is much much different and more complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I see your point and it is correct in many aspects of the pre-game planning - such as how tickets will be allocated, where visiting "dignitaries" will be planted in the stadium, etc. But some aspects of hosting an onslaught of people into a small college town require expenditure of assets to begin preparation far in advance of one week. Asking hotels to keep rooms available that might otherwise would have been able to book if there ends up being no game, asking catering services to leave open enough personnel and other assets for that weekend in case there is a game, etc.
    I see that point, but I also see the point that in a small college town a week or two into December hotels and caterers may welcome the business as I would guess that may be a rather slow time for both.

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    Can you imagine an SEC team traveling to boise or ann arbor in Dec? Dont think its going to happen
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    I don't really buy the argument that schools won't have enough time to deal with hosting a game. These are multi-million dollar organizations. They can get it figured out. Also, I'm guessing school's would set up a post-season game, much like other sports, and other leagues do. They'll offer season ticket holders the chance to purchase their tickets (at an inflated price obviously), and after a certain point, those tickets not purchased will go on sale to the general public. I really don't see why that's so diffucult.

    Plus, we're talking about 2 teams (in a 4-team playoff), or 4 teams (in an 8-team playoff) that will have to worry about this. It's highly likely only 10 teams will be in a position to host a playoff game when entering the month of November, so there can be some advanced planning by these schools.

    In the end, D1 CFB would not be alone in the logistics of hosting a playoff game on such short notice. It'll take a couple of years to work out the bugs, but it shouldn't be a road block to a playoff system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The quoted article in the OP is very wrong in one detail. It says that if the semifinals are in a home team's stadium, the visiting team should get 20% of the tickets. That is NEVER going to happen, nor should it. What football program is going to want to have to decide what 20% of its season ticket holders are going to have their seats yanked for the national semifinal game (or maybe 15% of its season ticket holders when you factor in the seats that are held for visitors for regular season games)????
    First of all, most teams dont sell out their entire stadium with season ticket packages. Nebraska is the exception, not the rule.

    Second of all you are wrong. Anyone having to give up their season tickets for a playoff would be mad. But because some fans (mind on only in certain stadiums) would have to give up their season tickets for a playoff games doesnt mean we shouldnt have playoff games on campus.

    Nebraska is given two choices:
    1. Go play in a semi-final game hosted in the south by some bowl game where they keep most of the profit.

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    2. Have to give up some of the season tickets but still make a boatload of money and have home field advantage (vs going to the south and being at a disadvantage).

    I wouldnt be happy if I couldnt get my season tickets but it is much better for my Huskers if I don't. Plus, you can always buy other tickets. Since when have Nebraska fans worried about ticket cost buying second hand?

    In summary: you are wrong and your argument is just another half attempt excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ackos View Post
    Can you imagine an SEC team traveling to boise or ann arbor in Dec? Dont think its going to happen
    ANY weather is football weather. I am so sick of the NFL playing outdoors in January but college football (especially the SEC but the B1G included) acting like we have to play in the south or indoors. I love snow games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porkchopexpress View Post
    I don't really buy the argument that schools won't have enough time to deal with hosting a game. These are multi-million dollar organizations. They can get it figured out. Also, I'm guessing school's would set up a post-season game, much like other sports, and other leagues do. They'll offer season ticket holders the chance to purchase their tickets (at an inflated price obviously), and after a certain point, those tickets not purchased will go on sale to the general public. I really don't see why that's so diffucult.

    Plus, we're talking about 2 teams (in a 4-team playoff), or 4 teams (in an 8-team playoff) that will have to worry about this. It's highly likely only 10 teams will be in a position to host a playoff game when entering the month of November, so there can be some advanced planning by these schools.

    In the end, D1 CFB would not be alone in the logistics of hosting a playoff game on such short notice. It'll take a couple of years to work out the bugs, but it shouldn't be a road block to a playoff system.
    Selling tickets is a minute fraction of what is involved with preparing for a major college football game. And this would not be like just another college football regular season game. It is national semi-final; therefore, multiply the complexities by whatever positive integer you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Selling tickets is a minute fraction of what is involved with preparing for a major college football game. And this would not be like just another college football regular season game. It is national semi-final; therefore, multiply the complexities by whatever positive integer you like.
    Ok. These are still multi-million dollar organizations, with loads and loads of emplyoees and resources. Sure, it'll be a sucky week for those employees, but again, it won't come as a shock for these schools. They'll have a pretty good idea if they'll have the chance to host a game in early November, so they can get some planning done ahead of time. I know people act upset when you compare CFB to the NFL, but the NFL seems to pull off the one week turnaround on playoffs pretty well. I don't see any reason why it would be a huge problem for 2 or 4 schools to handle, schools that are used to holding major sporting events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PimpMario View Post
    First of all, most teams dont sell out their entire stadium with season ticket packages. Nebraska is the exception, not the rule. Most of the teams regularly in contention for NC's certainly do.

    Second of all you are wrong. Anyone having to give up their season tickets for a playoff would be mad. But because some fans (mind on only in certain stadiums) would have to give up their season tickets for a playoff games doesnt mean we shouldnt have playoff games on campus.

    Nebraska is given two choices:
    1. Go play in a semi-final game hosted in the south by some bowl game where they keep most of the profit.

    or

    2. Have to give up some of the season tickets but still make a boatload of money and have home field advantage (vs going to the south and being at a disadvantage).

    I wouldnt be happy if I couldnt get my season tickets but it is much better for my Huskers if I don't. Plus, you can always buy other tickets. Since when have Nebraska fans worried about ticket cost buying second hand?

    In summary: you are wrong and your argument is just another half attempt excuse.
    I am not sure how you so egregiously misread my post. I only said that there is no way schools are going to want to give 20% of their stadium to visiting teams. I didn't say I don't think on campus games will work. I only said that forcing 20% of the season ticket holders to give up their playoff ticket rights to the visiting team is not a good idea and will not likely be accepted by the universities. Let the visitors have their usual 3,000 seats, or whatever is left over from that 3,000 after the NCAA takes its required seats. Displacing 20% of their season ticket base for a national semi-final game is probably a deal breaker for most institutions.

    Also, you inexplicably misread my post to think that people would have to give up season tickets to give 20% of a single playoff game to visitors. No. Under that plan they would be required to not be allowed to purchase a single game ticket to the playoff game; not their season tickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porkchopexpress View Post
    Ok. These are still multi-million dollar organizations, with loads and loads of emplyoees and resources. "Loads and loads of employees"?? Do you follow state university budget issues?

    Sure, it'll be a sucky week for those employees, but again, it won't come as a shock for these schools. They'll have a pretty good idea if they'll have the chance to host a game in early November, so they can get some planning done ahead of time. I know people act upset when you compare CFB to the NFL, but the NFL seems to pull off the one week turnaround on playoffs pretty well. Most of the difference comes down to NFL franchises in big cities v. college teams in small towns, with fewer hotel rooms, smaller catering companies, smaller police departments, other events scheduled on their campuses, bare bones state-dictated budgets and personnel, etc.

    I don't see any reason why it would be a huge problem for 2 or 4 schools to handle, schools that are used to holding major sporting events. You are correct; you don't. But hopefully you see a little better now.
    see above comments

    The bottom line is that it is probably do-able, but it is much more complex than most people who believe that the university only has to print the tickets, think. And that will cause a lot of push back at the negotiation table on the issue of neutral site v. on-campus site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    see above comments

    The bottom line is that it is probably do-able, but it is much more complex than most people who believe that the university only has to print the tickets, think. And that will cause a lot of push back at the negotiation table on the issue of neutral site v. on-campus site.
    Here's the directory at the UNL atheltic Department.
    http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.d...CLID=204770094

    That doesn't even include everyone involved specifically with the football program. Sure, bare-bones staff at UNL. I have no idea how TO keeps that place running. I mean, they only have one employee who's job is to oversee Handicap Accessable seating!

    As far as the police force, don't these college towns already hold at least 6 home games during the regular season? How would a playoff game be that much of a difference in terms of dealing with the public? Maybe I'm missing something with that. Sure, you're going to get more visiting fans, people associated with the BCS/NCAA, and media. That's not going to cause chaos in the streets. Those with the BCS/NCAA and media are there to work, not to get drunk and potentially cause trouble. (unless your Brent Musburger )

    Additionally, these games would likely be played during Winter break for most schools, which mean fewer students, and fewer other events on the campus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porkchopexpress View Post
    Here's the directory at the UNL atheltic Department.
    http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.d...CLID=204770094

    That doesn't even include everyone involved specifically with the football program. Sure, bare-bones staff at UNL. I have no idea how TO keeps that place running. I mean, they only have one employee who's job is to oversee Handicap Accessable seating!

    As far as the police force, don't these college towns already hold at least 6 home games during the regular season? How would a playoff game be that much of a difference in terms of dealing with the public? Maybe I'm missing something with that. Sure, you're going to get more visiting fans, people associated with the BCS/NCAA, and media. That's not going to cause chaos in the streets. Those with the BCS/NCAA and media are there to work, not to get drunk and potentially cause trouble. (unless your Brent Musburger )

    Additionally, these games would likely be played during Winter break for most schools, which mean fewer students, and fewer other events on the campus.
    Those are all reasonable points you are making. As I said in my original post in this thread, though, is that I learned that there is so much more involved in putting on one of these games than you or I am aware of, that getting it all done/finalized with only a week or less notice is a monumental task for an institution. Do-able? Just about anything is do-able. Do some/many institutions think neutral sites would be better because they can know years in advance that they will be hosting a huge national football game? Some probably do, don't you think? We fans want it on campus for a variety of reasons: no travel expenses for many, cool atmosphere, get even with the SEC, etc., etc. But the universities may look at it from a slightly different angle.

    Here is another thought: If NU were to play UT in the 2013 national semi-finals, and if UT were the higher seed and playing at home, NU might only get 3,000 tickets. NU could probably sell 20,000. If the game were in New Orleans at a neutral site and 15,000-20,000 tickets were available for NU, that would be very, very important to NU's program and its fans. There are definitely pluses and minuses on both sides that I believe we can assume the powers that be are discussing in full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Those are all reasonable points you are making. As I said in my original post in this thread, though, is that I learned that there is so much more involved in putting on one of these games than you or I am aware of, that getting it all done/finalized with only a week or less notice is a monumental task for an institution. Do-able? Just about anything is do-able. Do some/many institutions think neutral sites would be better because they can know years in advance that they will be hosting a huge national football game? Some probably do, don't you think? We fans want it on campus for a variety of reasons: no travel expenses for many, cool atmosphere, get even with the SEC, etc., etc. But the universities may look at it from a slightly different angle.

    Here is another thought: If NU were to play UT in the 2013 national semi-finals, and if UT were the higher seed and playing at home, NU might only get 3,000 tickets. NU could probably sell 20,000. If the game were in New Orleans at a neutral site and 15,000-20,000 tickets were available for NU, that would be very, very important to NU's program and its fans. There are definitely pluses and minuses on both sides that I believe we can assume the powers that be are discussing in full.
    The difficulty in this for me though is fans will then try to pick and choose if they spring for the semi game but won't be able to go to the next game if the team advances, or hold out, skipping the semi game hoping their team advances. Very few will afford both I think. Not to mention how much more expensive it is to travel on a weeks notice (airfare-wise) if you were to do both and book after the win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I am not sure how you so egregiously misread my post. I only said that there is no way schools are going to want to give 20% of their stadium to visiting teams. I didn't say I don't think on campus games will work. I only said that forcing 20% of the season ticket holders to give up their playoff ticket rights to the visiting team is not a good idea and will not likely be accepted by the universities. Let the visitors have their usual 3,000 seats, or whatever is left over from that 3,000 after the NCAA takes its required seats. Displacing 20% of their season ticket base for a national semi-final game is probably a deal breaker for most institutions.

    Also, you inexplicably misread my post to think that people would have to give up season tickets to give 20% of a single playoff game to visitors. No. Under that plan they would be required to not be allowed to purchase a single game ticket to the playoff game; not their season tickets.

    I didn't mean to come off as hostile if I did. I apologize for my fervor.

    Of course they would want to give up 20% of their tickets to their stadium if the alternative is that they get maybe 35-45% of the tickets at a "neutral" site game.

    What is better; having 80% of your home stadium or 40% of a "neutral" site?

    Please answer that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Impaler View Post
    The difficulty in this for me though is fans will then try to pick and choose if they spring for the semi game but won't be able to go to the next game if the team advances, or hold out, skipping the semi game hoping their team advances. Very few will afford both I think. Not to mention how much more expensive it is to travel on a weeks notice (airfare-wise) if you were to do both and book after the win.
    This, I believe, is one of the strongest reasons in favor of having the early round games at home sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PimpMario View Post
    I didn't mean to come off as hostile if I did. I apologize for my fervor.

    Of course they would want to give up 20% of their tickets to their stadium if the alternative is that they get maybe 35-45% of the tickets at a "neutral" site game.

    What is better; having 80% of your home stadium or 40% of a "neutral" site?

    Please answer that.
    Of course it is better to have 80% of your home stadium. But it shouldn't come down to that. Either play at home sites and let the visitors get their normal allotment of tickets, or play at neutral sites for whatever reasons that would be better than at home sites. But don't choose home sites and then force 20% of the home teams' fans out of the stadium. Senseless.
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    I think Cardinal is on the right track here in that there are many difficulties with having a home site playoff game, however, it can be overcome. And it certainly should mean that the visiting team gets only the usual allotment for visitors.

    How about the two semi-final games being pr-planned and played at a site that is neither in the deep south or cold north such as Salt Lake City or Memphis or Washington, DC. The weather could be a bit uncomfortable, but probably not extremely so. Maybe even a dome could be used, such as in St Louis or Indianapolis. It would most likely require travel by both fan bases and could result in an even split of tickets, plus have plenty of planning in advance made.

    The Championship game could be rotated to the usual warm weather sites.

    I know it would require two fan bases to make two expensive trips, but I suspect there will be enough excitement among both groups to fill the seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHusker View Post
    A playoff will not determine a true champion with any more certainty than the current system.
    We disagree:
    2000 #2 ranked Miami who beat FSU that was selected for the game
    2003 #1 ranked USC who was passed over by OU and LSU
    2004 Auburn, Utah, and Boise State who all finished undefeated
    2008 Utah who finished undefeated and crushed Bama in the Sugar Bowl
    2009 TCU and Boise who finished undefeated and were paired against each other in the Fiesta
    2010 TCU undefeated and Rose Bowl Champion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porkchopexpress View Post
    I don't really buy the argument that schools won't have enough time to deal with hosting a game. These are multi-million dollar organizations. They can get it figured out. Also, I'm guessing school's would set up a post-season game, much like other sports, and other leagues do. They'll offer season ticket holders the chance to purchase their tickets (at an inflated price obviously), and after a certain point, those tickets not purchased will go on sale to the general public. I really don't see why that's so diffucult.

    Plus, we're talking about 2 teams (in a 4-team playoff), or 4 teams (in an 8-team playoff) that will have to worry about this. It's highly likely only 10 teams will be in a position to host a playoff game when entering the month of November, so there can be some advanced planning by these schools.

    In the end, D1 CFB would not be alone in the logistics of hosting a playoff game on such short notice. It'll take a couple of years to work out the bugs, but it shouldn't be a road block to a playoff system.
    +1

    It would be terrible if NCAA dignitaries had to be packed into a pressbox like sardines to watch a game.
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    I saw if you were good enough to earn a 1 or 2 seed for the "Four team event," then the home team should get to sell as many of it's tickets to season-ticket holders, minus the 3500 tickets usually reserved for visiting fans.

    No way should a home team be forced to decide which of its season ticket holders should have to give up thier tickets for the most important game in decades.
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