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    Is there anyone here that doesnt want Playoff games to be played on Campus?

    I was talking with a friend and we the sentiment was that the vast majority of fans would want games on college campuses.

    So I will ask: do you want playoff games on college campuses?

    And if you say you don't please tell me which bowl you are affiliated with.


    Taken from Dan Wetzel Article on Yahoo article:


    2. The semifinals should be played on campus; the title game should be open for bidding to any neutral site in the country.

    For 95 percent of college football fans the playoff will be a television show. So once the 1-4 deal is settled, nothing else really matters. The games will be played on your TV. Everything is great.
    Except for the fact that a college football game inside, say, Bryant-Denny Stadium or Camp Randall or Death Valley or the Big House is infinitely superior to a game played in Cowboys Stadium, University of Phoenix Stadium or whatever they are calling the place the Dolphins play this week.
    It isn't even close.
    One of college football's best attributes is its plethora of incredible on-campus game-day environments. It's the history. It's the pageantry. It's the tradition.
    Home field also provides incentive to finishing in the top two – thus making the regular season more important. It assures every game is a sellout, with a wild crowd. It keeps the money from sport inside the collegiate system and offers millions in peripheral income to college towns that support the game all year long.
    [Related: BCS officials put topic of selection and who'll get in on shelf]
    And, once, again, it's really cool. It's a way to make interregional games happen, only with higher stakes. It's a way to bring weather into the equation – all weather is football weather. It seems ideal.
    "The NCAA tournament is not played on home floors – for a reason," SEC commissioner Mike Slive.
    Please, no more comparing football to basketball. It's one of the great canards of all time. Why not use NCAA baseball as the standard and have double elimination?
    Football is football and the applicable standard is the NFL, which uses home field until the Super Bowl.
    The semifinals in college football would be akin to the conference championship games in the NFL. Over the last 15 years, home teams are just 17-13 in those NFL games, even though the host team compiled a better record in a 16-game season and presumably should win at a higher level.
    While home teams are overwhelmingly victorious in college football, very few games feature equal talent, so it's difficult to get useful numbers. We do know LSU beat Alabama a year ago in Tuscaloosa and then lost in "neutral" New Orleans.
    The NFL produces the greatest and most popular entertainment option in America. If neutral-site conference championship games made sense, they'd do it. Instead, they look at the idea as absolutely idiotic. Just follow the NFL lead here, guys.
    Scott's league, the Pac-12, already holds a title game at the site of the best-seeded team. (Getty Images)"I'm a big proponent of it," Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott told the Associated Press. "That was the choice we made in our conference with our championship game. Collegiate atmosphere. Guaranteed sellout. We've said all along preserving the regular season is important. What better way to emphasize the importance of the regular season than having a chance to earn a home game? It's a proven NFL model."
    Exactly. You give the road team say 20 percent of the tickets – in the big stadiums, that's 16,000 to 22,000 seats, a sizable block. A central organization collects the money and the host campus gets paid rent and whatever other applicable fees.
    It's the hotels and grocery stores and bars of Blacksburg and Gainesville and Norman that benefit, not some touristy place that doesn't care about college football anyway.
    [Mike Huguenin: Hammering out playoff details should be fascinating]
    This is pretty simple, but then again, here comes the silliness.
    One concern is over stadium size. Can TCU host a game in newly renovated Amon G. Carter Stadium (capacity 40,000 to 50,000)? That's a lot of lost seats, right?
    Well, yes, for one game. This story by Jason Kirk of SBNation.com points out that the average capacity of the four current BCS bowls is 77,363.
    Since 1998, the average capacity of the college stadiums that would've hosted the semifinals is 86,710.
    Could TCU or Boise State or Oregon host a game and lower the average? Sure.
    It is more likely, however, that Michigan (109,901), Ohio State (107,282), Alabama (101,821), Texas (101,624), LSU (99,500 with coming expansion) and so many others will be in the top two though. Over time there will be more seats, not less – at least as long as the Mid-American Conference doesn't start churning out national contenders.
    Then there is my second-favorite anti-campus site argument:
    "Where are people going to stay if Oregon hosts a semifinal game?" ESPN.com reported one BCS source saying. "In Portland?"
    Um, yeah, sure. While plenty of hotel rooms are closer, Portland is a real nice place. It even has an interstate running right to Eugene. I'm sure the city – the entire state really – would love the economic boost of an Oregon playoff game.
    The proper answer is they'll stay wherever they do when Oregon hosts any game. The Ducks always sell out and thousands of those seats are from visiting fans. It's not like the stadium doubles in size for the playoffs. So, just like every other week, fans that can't afford the Eugene hotel rates crash somewhere else and then drive to beautiful campus for the game.
    Hey, problem solved? Right?
    Actually there's more, and this is my No. 1 favorite anti-campus argument:
    "Can Manhattan, Kan., take care of 1,200 media?" BCS executive director Bill Hancock asked reporters, wondering what would happen if Kansas State finished in the top four. "Where will people stay?"
    Wait, now they are worried about the media? Finally I am 100-percent qualified to answer a question, and here's the answer: The media will stay wherever the heck they can. Topeka, Lawrence, mostly Kansas City. Then they will get up early and drive to the stadium because, you know, it's their job.
    We do it every single week of the season. College-town hotel rates are ridiculous and usually require three-night minimums. Besides, I have never met a single sportswriter, broadcaster or television crew that doesn't know how to drive a car.
    While the suits that run college athletics darn near faint if they don't get a police escort to the game, this isn't a media issue.
    The NFL manages to hold playoff games, including the NFC championship game, in Green Bay, Wis., which is about as small, cold and remote as anything in college football. Manhattan, Kan., is 119 miles from Kansas City. Eugene is 111 miles from Portland. Green Bay is 117 miles from Milwaukee.
    The media flies into Green Bay, or stays in Appleton, Milwaukee or even drives roundtrip all the way from Chicago. It's all done on one week planning in the middle of January. Whatever. It's the media's job to figure it out.
    Have you ever woken up the day after a Packers playoff game and found no coverage because the reporters didn't know where to stay or how to get to Lambeau?

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    A playoff will not determine a true champion with any more certainty than the current system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHusker View Post
    A playoff will not determine a true champion with any more certainty than the current system.
    That wasn't really the question was it?

    Campus sites make the most sense and preserves the integrity in trying to finish in the top two. I still don't understand why someone wouldn't be excited about the possibility of a USC, Bama, Miami, etc coming to Lincoln (or going to Columbus, Ann Arbor, Oregon)in the second week of December.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHusker View Post
    A playoff will not determine a true champion with any more certainty than the current system.
    A four-team playoff has exactly twice as much certainty to determine a true champion as a two-team method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckTownHusker View Post
    A four-team playoff has exactly twice as much certainty to determine a true champion as a two-team method.
    I'm not a probability expert, but intuitively this doesn't seem correct. Increasing the number of teams would introduce a higher probability of an upset and if a #4 beat a #1 in the first round your chances of a true champ is further reduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHusker View Post
    I'm not a probability expert, but intuitively this doesn't seem correct. Increasing the number of teams would introduce a higher probability of an upset and if a #4 beat a #1 in the first round your chances of a true champ is further reduced.
    I don't believe in upsets when a team that has had a great enough season to qualify for a playoff that includes only a small percentage of all teams beats another team ON THE FIELD. No upset when you do it on the field in such a playoff. That is the purpose of a playoff: to let the teams determine who is best ON THE FIELD (especially in college football, where there is no effective way to determine which single team is best from among teams from different conferences and different parts of the country, with very few, if any, common opponents).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't believe in upsets when a team that has had a great enough season to qualify for a limited number of teams playoff beats another team ON THE FIELD. No upset when you do it on the field.
    I think it's generally accepted the 2008 Super Bowl was an upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHusker View Post
    A playoff will not determine a true champion with any more certainty than the current system.
    I'm with Oma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHusker View Post
    A playoff will not determine a true champion with any more certainty than the current system.
    We disagree:
    2000 #2 ranked Miami who beat FSU that was selected for the game
    2003 #1 ranked USC who was passed over by OU and LSU
    2004 Auburn, Utah, and Boise State who all finished undefeated
    2008 Utah who finished undefeated and crushed Bama in the Sugar Bowl
    2009 TCU and Boise who finished undefeated and were paired against each other in the Fiesta
    2010 TCU undefeated and Rose Bowl Champion

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    I'd rather see a neutral field. How many times have we fans complained about having to play a bowl game against a team with virtual home field advantage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHusker View Post
    I'd rather see a neutral field. How many times have we fans complained about having to play a bowl game against a team with virtual home field advantage?

    The problem being that the bowls give the illusion of "neutral" site. But when the Sugar hosts a semi-final game with an SEC team it will hardly be "neutral".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilsker View Post
    The problem being that the bowls give the illusion of "neutral" site. But when the Sugar hosts a semi-final game with an SEC team it will hardly be "neutral".
    Exactly what I was gonna point out. USC or UCLA at the Rose, Miami or any Florida school at the Orange, and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHusker View Post
    I'd rather see a neutral field. How many times have we fans complained about having to play a bowl game against a team with virtual home field advantage?
    That's why I want Miami (or whatever team from the south) to come to Lincoln in December.

    "Neutral sites" will not be neutral, unless they are truly equidistant from each school.

    The sugar, Rose, orange, and Fiesta bowls are certainly not equidistant for any two opponents.
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    I'm for neutral sites. If you want to pick campuses prior to the start of the season like NCAA regionals, that's cool...

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    I just want Nebraska to be good enough again to be part of the discussion. I don't care where we play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThotDoc View Post
    I just want Nebraska to be good enough again to be part of the discussion. I don't care where we play.
    I sometimes feel that way, but when we are part of the discussion again, I think I will care if we have to play "neutral" games at other teams' "home" sites. My orange bowl scars aren't fresh but they are deep.
    "It just shows that we're changing the program," Petteway said. "Coach Miles and the guys we have on our staff and our players, we're changing the culture of Nebraska basketball, and this is just the beginning for us." - HuskerOnline.com 2-16-2014

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    For the record, I don't think any playoff field with fewer than 8 teams can claim legitimacy much more than the current system. But then, I think any playoff is a stupid idea anyway, and like the bowl system (aside from that there are too many).

    But it doesn't matter what I think. It looks to me like they are going to do some version of this. So whatever.
    "It just shows that we're changing the program," Petteway said. "Coach Miles and the guys we have on our staff and our players, we're changing the culture of Nebraska basketball, and this is just the beginning for us." - HuskerOnline.com 2-16-2014

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    The quoted article in the OP is very wrong in one detail. It says that if the semifinals are in a home team's stadium, the visiting team should get 20% of the tickets. That is NEVER going to happen, nor should it. What football program is going to want to have to decide what 20% of its season ticket holders are going to have their seats yanked for the national semifinal game (or maybe 15% of its season ticket holders when you factor in the seats that are held for visitors for regular season games)????

    I remember several years ago talking with a former athletic director of a Big 12 institution who is an old friend about my desire to see playoffs in college football and why he had been known to be against it. He had lots of logistical problems that he could identify that most of the rest of us never could think of because we are not in his line of work. One of his points was this very issue of tickets and space in the stadium. He said how there will be so many tickets and media space and stadium suites requested/demanded by NCAA officials and visiting school officials and media bigwigs, etc., that it would be a nightmare for the home teams, especially if there were an eight team playoff that had the first round at home sites the first week after the end of the regular season. He thought there was no way an institution could prepare for such an onslaught with only one week's notice. I'm not saying I agree with him on all his points (for example, the Pac 12 CCG is held the week after the end of the regular season at the home stadium of the higher ranked division winner; granted, it is only a regional game, not a national quarter- or semi-final, but the Pac 12 believes they can do it, even if the home site is not determined until the last day of the regular season (which was the case last year)). Making the home team find a way to give 20% of its tickets to the visiting team, as suggested in the OP, is a virtual impossibility and a PR nightmare that no school would be willing to do to its season ticket holders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The quoted article in the OP is very wrong in one detail. It says that if the semifinals are in a home team's stadium, the visiting team should get 20% of the tickets. That is NEVER going to happen, nor should it. What football program is going to want to have to decide what 20% of its season ticket holders are going to have their seats yanked for the national semifinal game (or maybe 15% of its season ticket holders when you factor in the seats that are held for visitors for regular season games)????

    I remember several years ago talking with a former athletic director of a Big 12 institution who is an old friend about my desire to see playoffs in college football and why he had been known to be against it. He had lots of logistical problems that he could identify that most of the rest of us never could think of because we are not in his line of work. One of his points was this very issue of tickets and space in the stadium. He said how there will be so many tickets and media space and stadium suites requested/demanded by NCAA officials and visiting school officials and media bigwigs, etc., that it would be a nightmare for the home teams, especially if there were an eight team playoff that had the first round at home sites the first week after the end of the regular season. He thought there was no way an institution could prepare for such an onslaught with only one week's notice. I'm not saying I agree with him on all his points (for example, the Pac 12 CCG is held the week after the end of the regular season at the home stadium of the higher ranked division winner; granted, it is only a regional game, not a national quarter- or semi-final, but the Pac 12 believes they can do it, even if the home site is not determined until the last day of the regular season (which was not the case last year)). Making the home team find a way to give 20% of its tickets to the visiting team, as suggested in the OP, is a virtual impossibility and a PR nightmare that no school would be willing to do to its season ticket holders.
    I agree, the part of earning a home seed means your fans enjoy, not have to give up their seats. Disagree with the one weeks notice thing, teams that are good enough will have a whole year to prepare for the possibility of hosting a semi or quarter game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Impaler View Post
    Disagree with the one weeks notice thing, teams that are good enough will have a whole year to prepare for the possibility of hosting a semi or quarter game.
    I see your point and it is correct in many aspects of the pre-game planning - such as how tickets will be allocated, where visiting "dignitaries" will be planted in the stadium, etc. But some aspects of hosting an onslaught of people into a small college town require expenditure of assets to begin preparation far in advance of one week. Asking hotels to keep rooms available that they might otherwise would have been able to book, asking catering services to not fully book that weekend so as to leave open enough personnel and other assets for that weekend in case there is a game, etc.

    As I said above, that discussion with the A.D. opened my eyes to a gaggle of complexities that arise with regard to hosting a game that I would have never been able to come up with myself. I bet a dollar to a donut that those type of issues are what is causing the conferences and the NCAA/BCS to not be able to come to a conclusion about whether to host the playoff games on campus. In a vacuum it seems like a great idea to us college football lovers, but to the people who have to actually make it happen the view is much much different and more complicated.
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