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    Quote Originally Posted by Pops View Post
    oh shut it sally...nothing would please me better than being a total socialist society....
    How about a caring society...than no need to go full blown no-fun no-diversity socialist. The extremes of any point of view are what keep that from happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SealBeachHusker View Post
    How about a caring society...than no need to go full blown no-fun no-diversity socialist. The extremes of any point of view are what keep that from happening.

    i dig it...sounds good. YOU have my vote


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pops View Post
    I agree corporations care about one thing....no not the employee....
    the almighty $$$$
    A common program offered to employees today is profit-sharing, so employees--who actually make up the corporation--usually care a great deal about the almighty dollar.

    Individual shareholders care about the almighty $$$ as well, not to mention those who's holdings are in mutual funds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pops View Post
    You're right. But would a appeal really make a difference. The healthcare system is broken, what Obama did was nothing to fix the problem it was nothing about the insurance companies or who was uninsured
    It would, IMO, IF, IF, it led to a true bipartisan effort that accomplished the problems. Don't get me wrong I really don't think it's a slam dunk just because Romney or any other pub is elected. There is something to be said about the country embracing something if they believe it was done with input from both sides and had a majority support from both sides. I know it's hard to imagine that happening.

    When Obama was elected, I know this will be hard to believe, I really hoped that he was the real deal and would lead like he campaigned. The whole healthcare issue and how it was handled really soured me on him. I admit he was on a short leash with me but, I did give him a chance.
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    Thank God for Obama saving and transforming our economy albeit slower than any (including him) would like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
    If Obama can't make a real difference than (sic) ole (sic) Furious George has made a bigger mess of things then (sic) thought.

    Or does your logic only flow in one direction?
    Of course it does, occasionally. I have stated on several occasions that Bush was too big a spender. I also believed that his philosophy to give back surplus money to the taxpayers is the correct one, however, to implement Cov D with projected surpluses was not something I thought was a good idea and it was a mistake. I was glad he was CC after 9/11.
    Quote Originally Posted by Warhorse View Post
    Thank God for Obama saving and transforming our economy albeit slower than any (including him) would like.

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    Oh yeah thats all we need in office ...someone with the ability to hand out vacations on a whim.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pops View Post
    oh shut it sally...nothing would please me better than being a total socialist society....
    Testify brother! The conservative right wing (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Koch brothers) would happily deny coverage coverage to millions. They have been brain washed in to believing that it is somehow in their best interest to forego coverage for the betterment of the top half of the 1%. 1984 ain't got nothing on those boys. Just throw in abortion and gun rights and people will follow without so much as a second thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pops View Post
    oh shut it sally...nothing would please me better than being a total socialist society....
    Testify brother! The conservative right wing (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Koch brothers) would happily deny coverage coverage to millions. They have been brain washed in to believing that it is somehow in their best interest to forego coverage for the betterment of the top half of the 1%. 1984 ain't got nothing on those boys. Just throw in abortion and gun rights and people will follow without so much as a second thought.
    What percentage of the population do you believe is uncovered by private insurance, Medicare, or state programs like MediCal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SealBeachHusker View Post
    What percentage of the population do you believe is uncovered by private insurance, Medicare, or state programs like MediCal?
    How about 48 million people or 1 in 4 of all americans.

    The study by the Commonwealth Fund polled 2,100 people aged 19 to 64 and found that 26 percent of non-elderly adults went without insurance -- a percentage that researchers said equals about 48 million people when measured against U.S. Census data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
    Private insurers.
    In all seriousness, it's fairly evident where this is headed. It's quite clear that companies will do exactly what is discussed in this report. Heavily government subsidized insurance is government insurance. Those that lose their current health plans will go to this system. They won't have much other choice.

    I personally think for those that happens to, it quite simply sux, and not something to be happy about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA4NEB View Post
    New math?
    The Commonwealth Fund is incorrect? There are only a few lazy welfare types who don't have insurance? There are no working poor with crappy on no insurance to fall back on? There are no hazardous jobs that insurance companies refuse to underwrite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
    If companies are as great as the right claims then it shouldn't be much of an issue.
    That's a huge strawman. I know exactly what a company is and how it will make decisions for it's own best interest, basically as it is required to do for the benefit of its shareholders. Companies aren't charities.

    I also know the option that is being created is highly inferior for those that will be losing their health insurance.

    If this strawman is one of your arguments in favor of this, that's incredibly disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
    Not with Huzkurz. He literally is saying, if it doesn't get better under Romney, it's all Obama's fault. It's a nice preemptive strike. But boy does he get mad when anyone blames Bush.
    Against my better judgement to engage you in any type of dialogue, I have to correct your lie. I don't get mad when Bush gets blamed, bored maybe, when Obama still trys to blame him for racking up more debt in 3 1/2 years then all presidents before him combined, I hardly think the two cases are comparable.

    You can also see post #50.

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    Thank God for Obama saving and transforming our economy albeit slower than any (including him) would like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebraska1 View Post
    The Commonwealth Fund is incorrect? There are only a few lazy welfare types who don't have insurance? There are no working poor with crappy on no insurance to fall back on? There are no hazardous jobs that insurance companies refuse to underwrite?

    Well if they believe that 48 million is 1/4 of the US population than yes they are wrong.
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