Obamacare saves billions for companies

[McKinneyTXHusker]

Too bad that isn't the statement Mort was refuting. Huzkurz did not use the word "projected".

They seem to have a penchant for reframing the argument in a way they can "win" it.

The Mutt & Jeff show continues!

Yes, Huzkurz got it wrong by not using the word projected. I still think its a huge issue for the country, and very relevant to the re-election campaign - that Obama is on course to increase U.S. debt by the end of his current term by an amount greater than all other Presidents combined. To that end, its not about "winning an internet argument" its about articulating what's dreadfully wrong with the Obama administration and is endangering our country. If you guys want to put your heads in the sand and ignore that, go right ahead!

[RedPhoenix]

The Mutt & Jeff show continues!

Guys, cut out the personal comments. There's a pretty decent debate going on besides the numerous ad hominem attacks, which are completely unnecessary.

Yes, Huzkurz got it wrong by not using the word projected. I still think its a huge issue for the country, and very relevant to the re-election campaign - that Obama is on course to increase U.S. debt by the end of his current term by an amount greater than all other Presidents combined. To that end, its not about "winning an internet argument" its about articulating what's dreadfully wrong with the Obama administration and is endangering our country. If you guys want to put your heads in the sand and ignore that, go right ahead!

You should have started and ended with the bolded portion.

[HuZkurZ]

The Mutt & Jeff show continues!

Yes, Huzkurz got it wrong by not using the word projected. I still think its a huge issue for the country, and very relevant to the re-election campaign - that Obama is on course to increase U.S. debt by the end of his current term by an amount greater than all other Presidents combined. To that end, its not about "winning an internet argument" its about articulating what's dreadfully wrong with the Obama administration and is endangering our country. If you guys want to put your heads in the sand and ignore that, go right ahead!

Correct MTH, I should have used projected but didn't and admitted that in a previous post. Unfortunately, Mortie and the other guy won't admit that another respected fact checking source says my statement is half true not 100% wrong. Good for you in sifting through their BS, instead of arguing for the sake of arguing, and getting to the heart of the issue and that is Obama will surpass total accumulation of debt by W in half the time and we can't afford it

[McKinneyTXHusker]

You should have started and ended with the bolded portion.

Thanks for confirming that you don't wish to acknowledge or discuss the rest of what I presented then.

[RedPhoenix]

Correct MTH, I should have used projected but didn't and admitted that in a previous post. Unfortunately, Mortie and the other guy won't admit that another respected fact checking source says my statement is half true not 100% wrong. Good for you in sifting through their BS, instead of arguing for the sake of arguing, and getting to the heart of the issue and that is Obama will surpass total accumulation of debt by W in half the time and we can't afford it

Half true...is still wrong. 2+2=8 is half true. You can't get to 8 counting by ones without saying 4.

[RedPhoenix]

Thanks for confirming that you don't wish to acknowledge or discuss the rest of what I presented then.

I was not interested in your attempt to change the subject. Huzkurz was wrong. End of story.

[COsker]

In all seriousness, it's fairly evident where this is headed. It's quite clear that companies will do exactly what is discussed in this report. Heavily government subsidized insurance is government insurance. Those that lose their current health plans will go to this system. They won't have much other choice.

I personally think for those that happens to, it quite simply sux, and not something to be happy about.

Yep, and just as it's been fairly evident where things were headed in California, there's a bunch of folks just living in extreme denial. They've had essentially one-party rule out there and have doomed that State. You'd think with all the work and money they've poured into California, they'd be able to hold it up as a shining example of decades oftheir ideological success.

We're no longer dealing with adult (as defined over the decades) Democrats that have a different way of looking at things. We're dealing with spoiled children lashing out because they're being told they can't have it all their way.

[McKinneyTXHusker]

I was not interested in your attempt to change the subject. Huzkurz was wrong. End of story.

ROFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh, RP. From probably the KING of subject/thread creep! That's ok, I understand its hard to talk about or justify Obama's massive increase in US debt levels, guess I can't blame you for "not being interested."

[HuZkurZ]

ROFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh, RP. From probably the KING of subject/thread creep! That's ok, I understand its hard to talk about or justify Obama's massive increase in US debt levels, guess I can't blame you for "not being interested."

It's funny how some go on and on, even after admitting it was wrong, about someone not being 100% correct but won't acknowledge how they are also wrong. I think he's using one of those internet debating points someone listed a while back, when you are wrong continue repeating nonsense to keep the focus on yourself.

Atleast you attempted to engage in constructive dialogue.

[RedPhoenix]

It's funny how some go on and on, even after admitting it was wrong, about someone not being 100% correct but won't acknowledge how they are also wrong. I think he's using one of those internet debating points someone listed a while back, when you are wrong continue repeating nonsense to keep the focus on yourself.

Atleast you attempted to engage in constructive dialogue.

Passive aggressiveness doesn't suit you. I have not yet been wrong in this thread. When I am, I'll admit it.

[Huskerwirejay]

That has a different impact then being the one that sets coverage amounts and how much they will pay for procedures.

It is without debate that the new set up will greatly insert government control over the system.

Like Medicare today?

I will agree that the system that is run by the GOV is controlled more by the GOV than a system that is run by BCBS.

That doesn't mean that they aren't both 'subsidized'.

The problem with many employer funded plans is this: They often are all 'all you can eat' plans where most trips to the Dr. only cost $20. If the consumer shares in more of the cost, they will consume less.

[Huskerwirejay]

It's funny how some go on and on, even after admitting it was wrong, about someone not being 100% correct but won't acknowledge how they are also wrong. I think he's using one of those internet debating points someone listed a while back, when you are wrong continue repeating nonsense to keep the focus on yourself.

Atleast you attempted to engage in constructive dialogue.

I haven't been able to keep up...Has Obama added more the the federal debt than every other President before him combined?

[nems]

Like Medicare today?

I will agree that the system that is run by the GOV is controlled more by the GOV than a system that is run by BCBS.

That doesn't mean that they aren't both 'subsidized'.

The problem with many employer funded plans is this: They often are all 'all you can eat' plans where most trips to the Dr. only cost $20. If the consumer shares in more of the cost, they will consume less.

The material difference for me is one subsidizes premiums through the tax system, the other not only subsidizes premiums, but also goes toward defining benefits and coverage.

Just like Medicare. And according to my understanding, many of our long term financial difficulties in this country surround Medicare funding and services.

I personally don't look forward to future Medicare coverage and have taken steps through my HSA to have funds set aside to deal with its limitations.

If, as I suspect, I am going to lose my HSA in the near future and have to move to these new programs, my health insurance is going to be worse and losing the HSA benefit is going to really stink.

[Huskerwirejay]

The material difference for me is one subsidizes premiums through the tax system, the other not only subsidizes premiums, but also goes toward defining benefits and coverage.

Just like Medicare. And according to my understanding, many of our long term financial difficulties in this country surround Medicare funding and services.

I personally don't look forward to future Medicare coverage and have taken steps through my HSA to have funds set aside to deal with its limitations.

If, as I suspect, I am going to lose my HSA in the near future and have to move to these new programs, my health insurance is going to be worse and losing the HSA benefit is going to really stink.

My health plan is better and my costs are less do to HCAA changes. I guess it has impacted us differently.

[nems]

My health plan is better and my costs are less do to HCAA changes. I guess it has impacted us differently.

How is it better and why did the price decrease?

Have you considered if your company will maintain the plan once HCAA is fully implemented?

[One Man Jury]

seems you have said it enough so you believe it now....good job

Is it hard for any personal thought on the issue when you have people telling you what to think yelling in each ear?

I listen to goat. Asked him in 2008 what kind of president Obama would make. "Baaaaaaaaad."
I asked him how Obama would handle our economy: "Baaaaaaaaaad."
Similar answer when I asked how Gore and Biden were on charitable giving, and whether it was a good idea to give Bugs Bunny $15 billion of Medicare money so Michelle Obama could teach people how to keep their butts from getting so big.

[Pops]

I listen to goat. Asked him in 2008 what kind of president Obama would make. "Baaaaaaaaad."
I asked him how Obama would handle our economy: "Baaaaaaaaaad."
Similar answer when I asked how Gore and Biden were on charitable giving, and whether it was a good idea to give Bugs Bunny $15 billion of Medicare money so Michelle Obama could teach people how to keep their butts from getting so big.

lmao....you are a angry lil man arent ya....Your lil rants are so cute.

ok now off to bed with ya, before momma catches you on her computer.

get a good nights rest cause i am really looking forward to more of these lil gems of yours.

they are truly just to cute...If you were here right now I'd give ya a hug

[Pops]

Oh ..I also think you should separate yourself from the farm animals and pets for awhile...seems they have ya all twisted up

[Big Red Rick]

Apparently, we can't have the same civility in debates that we enjoyed for the past week. Sad...

[RedPhoenix]

Apparently, we can't have the same civility in debates that we enjoyed for the past week. Sad...

OMJ doesn't debate.