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Obamacare saves billions for companies
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...est=latestnews
Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee surveyed the top 100 companies about how much they spent on health care -- a total of 71, covering 5.9 million employees, responded. The results suggested it would be far more attractive for companies to drop workers from those plans than keep them.
Even after paying a penalty of $2,000 per employee, the companies stand to save $28.6 billion in 2014 alone by shifting employees to health insurance exchanges governed by strict federal standards. The companies stand to save more than $422 billion over the first 10 years of the law by doing this.
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Does the cost then shift to the individual?
Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.
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 Originally Posted by nems
Does the cost then shift to the individual?
and the tax payers...
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” – Winston Churchill
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Originally Posted by FLA4NEB
and the tax payers...
I thought I wouldn't lose my current health plan under Obamacare?
Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.
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Originally Posted by nems
I thought I wouldn't lose my current health plan under Obamacare?
Obamacare doesn't force any of the companies to drop your health plan. Just as they always have, they have the choice to provide it to you or not. It's the companies decision. Not the governments.
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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix
Obamacare doesn't force any of the companies to drop your health plan. Just as they always have, they have the choice to provide it to you or not. It's the companies decision. Not the governments.
Come on you are better than that. The fine is way under what the employer insurance coverage could ever be. Obamacare was designed to get companies to dump their employees into the government exchanges.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” – Winston Churchill
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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix
Obamacare doesn't force any of the companies to drop your health plan. Just as they always have, they have the choice to provide it to you or not. It's the companies decision. Not the governments.
LOL.
Of course the dangers of market based pricing versus government subsidized programs is ignored by the simple minded ... Until the market priced systems are destroyed and all that's left is the government system.
Sounds like a great plan.
Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.
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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix
Obamacare doesn't force any of the companies to drop your health plan. Just as they always have, they have the choice to provide it to you or not. It's the companies decision. Not the governments.
So, they can choose the government subsidized option...or pay for the superior private coverage they had been providing?
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Originally Posted by nems
I thought I wouldn't lose my current health plan under Obamacare?
Obama can't help it if companies didn't live up to his word...welcome to government exchanges!
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” – Winston Churchill
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Originally Posted by nems
Does the cost then shift to the individual?
I certainly hope so. Personal responsibility and all that. Besides, I'm a big BIG fan of getting employers completely away from providing health insurance to their employees.
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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix
I certainly hope so. Personal responsibility and all that. Besides, I'm a big BIG fan of getting employers completely away from providing health insurance to their employees.
That's all well and good, but under this report, I'm going to lose access to my current health insurance, I'm going to be forced into these highly government regulated plans and it's going to cost me more money.
Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.
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Originally Posted by nems
That's all well and good, but under this report, I'm going to lose access to my current health insurance, I'm going to be forced into these highly government regulated plans and it's going to cost me more money.
I'm sorry your company is so uncaring.
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Obama has been a great friend to American Corporations.
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How about for every dollar a company saves the health care system lowers their cost of treatment.
office visit ...from 80 to 40
MRI from ungodly amount to, reasonable
etc etc etc
 
For every minute you remain angry, you give up sixty seconds of peace of mind.
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#1 Infractor
The new exchanges would offer several choices of plans, and workers would get generous federal subsidies -- which only phase out at about $88,000 income.
The higher cost of subsidies, though, would fall on the taxpayers
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz1teglQ914
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#1 Infractor
Obama isn't anti-business, he's pro-government.
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Originally Posted by HuZkurZ
Obama isn't anti-business, he's pro-government.
ahhhh....I'm whispering so no one else can hear me
Government is a Business....shhhhhh
For every minute you remain angry, you give up sixty seconds of peace of mind.
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#1 Infractor
Originally Posted by Pops
ahhhh....I'm whispering so no one else can hear me
Government is a Business....shhhhhh
Oh, okay. Another reason for you to vote Romney.
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Originally Posted by HuZkurZ
Oh, okay. Another reason for you to vote Romney.
If i did that they would have to get the war dept going again
The government is great at what they do...pitting Americans against each other to distract.
You can tell by who writes their officials about what they believe in.... if it takes work on the American public it wont happen they want Government to change it for us on their own....
Just like your belief that Rommey would make the changes necessary.....I will make you a 1000 dollar bet right now. We will see 0 changes that will make a difference, in healthcare ...I mean a real difference, (not a repeal) A change in unemployment, a change in the war efforts, a greater foreign policy, any recovery in the debt,
You on? if so we can make specifics what the bet should be placed on....But I do want the same standards y'all are holding Obama to
For every minute you remain angry, you give up sixty seconds of peace of mind.
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Originally Posted by Pops
If i did that they would have to get the war dept going again
The government is great at what they do...pitting Americans against each other to distract.
You can tell by who writes their officials about what they believe in.... if it takes work on the American public it wont happen they want Government to change it for us on their own....
Just like your belief that Rommey would make the changes necessary.....I will make you a 1000 dollar bet right now. We will see 0 changes that will make a difference, in healthcare ...I mean a real difference, (not a repeal) A change in unemployment, a change in the war efforts, a greater foreign policy, any recovery in the debt,
You on? if so we can make specifics what the bet should be placed on....But I do want the same standards y'all are holding Obama to
If he can't make real difference than ole Barry has made a bigger mess of things then thought.
I don't have a problem betting you a grand. The problem is we will never be able to set the playing field. For example, repealing a law that was crammed down our throats becasue the prez had a majority in both houses yet still had to make bribes to get it done is making a real difference.(SCOTUS may take care of it)
Is getting unemployment under 8% making a real difference? Obama said he would and never has. Is passing a balanced budget a recovery from the debt? Obama hasn't passed one of those.
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