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    Notre Dame and Rutgers to BIG 10????

    Now that the BCS is moving to a 4 team play-off that is set to start in 2014 and ND's K with NBC is up in 2015, it seems logical that the conference would start to go after ND again.

    They simply cannot stay independent for too much longer, especially if they have average-to-sub-par seasons in '12 and '13. They will be forced into a move soon and I hope Delaney gets this thing rolling now.

    Get ND and Rutgers. The conference goes to 14 teams (same as SEC). Conference footprint is ten states, as JD has long alluded to = Big 10. NYC now joins a conference footprint that already has Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, Cleveland, and Philadelphia. That is a pretty impressive footprint with a ton of TV's.

    Now let's get-r-done and start prepping to get to the Top 4 in 2014.

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    Remember that the playoff announcement was made by the BCS Conference Commissioners plus Notre Dame. The Irish always get special consideration.

    Right now, the seeding for the playoffs is TBD. If they go with the Top 4 BCS teams, Notre Dame has no compelling reason to join a conference. If they mandate conference winners AND reduce ND's sweetheart status, then the Irish may jump.

    As for expansion, I'm sold on Notre Dame because they live up to the "expansion standard." But Rutgers? I get the academic angle, but not the prestige part.

    Which one of these is not like the other: Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Rutgers? I'll give you a clue - three of them are all in the Top 10 Most Winning Teams, the Top 15 Total National Titles, and each have at least one Heisman Winner. And then there's Rutgers, who played in the very first intercollegiate football game and they do some nifty stuff with books and science and crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckTownHusker View Post
    Remember that the playoff announcement was made by the BCS Conference Commissioners plus Notre Dame. The Irish always get special consideration.

    Right now, the seeding for the playoffs is TBD. If they go with the Top 4 BCS teams, Notre Dame has no compelling reason to join a conference. If they mandate conference winners AND reduce ND's sweetheart status, then the Irish may jump.

    As for expansion, I'm sold on Notre Dame because they live up to the "expansion standard." But Rutgers? I get the academic angle, but not the prestige part.

    Which one of these is not like the other: Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Rutgers? I'll give you a clue - three of them are all in the Top 10 Most Winning Teams, the Top 15 Total National Titles, and each have at least one Heisman Winner. And then there's Rutgers, who played in the very first intercollegiate football game and they do some nifty stuff with books and science and crap.
    And then there's Rutgers and the millions of viewers in the New Jersey and New York City areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckTownHusker View Post
    Remember that the playoff announcement was made by the BCS Conference Commissioners plus Notre Dame. The Irish always get special consideration.

    Right now, the seeding for the playoffs is TBD. If they go with the Top 4 BCS teams, Notre Dame has no compelling reason to join a conference. If they mandate conference winners AND reduce ND's sweetheart status, then the Irish may jump.

    As for expansion, I'm sold on Notre Dame because they live up to the "expansion standard." But Rutgers? I get the academic angle, but not the prestige part.

    Which one of these is not like the other: Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Rutgers? I'll give you a clue - three of them are all in the Top 10 Most Winning Teams, the Top 15 Total National Titles, and each have at least one Heisman Winner. And then there's Rutgers, who played in the very first intercollegiate football game and they do some nifty stuff with books and science and crap.
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    Your thread title is very misleading....
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    It is misleading ...i got anxious there for a second...however..i agree with rutgers...they bring in a ton of tv sets and well....i have no problem bringing in a whipping boy that has the ability to reel off a couple good years here and there
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    Quote Originally Posted by II HUSKERS II View Post
    It is misleading ...i got anxious there for a second...however..i agree with rutgers...they bring in a ton of tv sets and well....i have no problem bringing in a whipping boy that has the ability to reel off a couple good years here and there
    Sounds like you are describing both of them.
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    I agree you take Rutgers considering what's available to be poached. Besides, if you're taking a trip to the East Coast in the fall, you might as well make it the NYC metroplex. Rutgers is a short train ride away.
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    I don't really think ND will join the Big Ten Conference. Their loss.
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    This thread title is misleading and should be changed. Not funny.

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    This thread title is misleading and should be changed. Not funny.
    This. It should be Why I think ND and Rutgers are going to the BIG 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBHusker View Post
    And then there's Rutgers and the millions of viewers in the New Jersey and New York City areas.
    They might be in the footprint of millions of viewers but it doesn't mean those viewers care. When I think of Rutgers, I think of a decent mid major team. They have definitely been respectable lately, but when I was growing up they were consistently one of the worst Div 1A teams. I think they have a lot of attributes that make them attractive to the B1G, but I think the conference can do better if it has to pick up a couple more teams. It would definitely be a good thing to get the B1G footprint in New Jersey, but I don't know that we need to invite Rutgers to get that inroad

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBHusker View Post
    And then there's Rutgers and the millions of viewers in the New Jersey and New York City areas.
    This argument always gets floated for Rutgers and its a crappy one.

    NYC is firstly a pro town. The Jets and Giants mean way more than college. Secondly, the demographic is mixed. NYC might have millions, but their allegience is split among Rutgers, PSU, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College, Navy, and even Maryland, V.Tech, and Notre Dame. Now factor the millions of non native New Yorkers and you'll probably get big chunks of fans from Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and the other blue bloods.

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    Misleading title? Sue me for literary license. I see it more as catchy!

    Regarding Rutgers and the NYC TV market; It does not matter whether the people in the TV market are huge fans or not. Being in the foot print is an in for the BTN, and they get on the basic cable packages and collect revenues. Thus whether the market is saturated with fans or not, the BTN will make a huge chunk if they get into the NYC, NJ markets.

    I really think this needs to be done ASAP, or at least before the start of the 2014 season.

    What exactly is NBC getting with the TV rights to ND football right now? How about if they go 7-5 and 8-4 the next two years?

    This system is clearly going to de-emphasize the "BCS" games, i.e. the Sugar, Orange, Fiesta and the GDOTA, unless they are part of the 4 Team Playoff(4TP).
    So, if those bowls are not part of the playoff, they will not hold as much weight as they do under the current system. The current system allows ND to try to hold on to some relevance, if they can end up in a "BCS" bowl by being a Top 8-10 caliber team.

    What happens if those bowl games end up outside the BCS structure and just back to regular bowl game status? Sure they might pay some money, garner a little bit of attention, but the real action will be the BCS 4TP.

    That, and conference championship games(CCG). If the bowls do not end up as part of the BCS 4TP, they will probable still have significant ties to Conference Champions. So, to be relevant in that respect you have to be playing for a conference championship.

    So what will NBC get with an exclusive contract for the TV rights to ND? If they are hoping for a team that has some sort of national or regional relevance, they might not even come close. If we look at the trends, about every 15-20 years, ND might field a Top 5 team. But as an independent, with high academic standards and the need to schedule hard games, it does not look good for them putting together Top 5 teams year in and out, IMO. TV execs are going to see that and be skeptical to drop huge loads of cash on a product the is out of step with the rest of the sport. Rivalry games only go so far, when their stakes literally mean nothing. ND v. UMich, Standford, etc.

    ND is living off their history and successful model from the early 90's. They will soon be forced into the realities of modern college football which is CCG’s and the new BCS 4TP!

    I think it is time for JD to have a man-to-man with Swarbuck and make him an offer he simply can't refuse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    Sounds like you are describing both of them.
    Haha i guess i gave notre dame too much credit for being...notre dame...good catch!
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    Notre Dame taking a beating on SXM CH. 91 this morning. Here are the basics:

    Why were/are they (ND) even alllowed at the table for BCS talks, when they are not in a conference?

    They need to pick a conference and join, especially with BCS 4TP on its way in.

    They are not in the same position they were in 20 years ago, especially with 4TP on its way.

    Their numbers on NBC have been down recently!

    What type of product do they offer NBC and its advertisers?

    Conferences could threaten to have schools stop scheduling ND(i.e. Michigan, MSU, Purdue, PITT, etc.) and force their hand.

    This last point is the one that I think is about to go down. I think JD is about to drop an ultimative on Swarbuck and ND. He is going to say that if the B1G goes to 10 conference games and/or have a non-con tie in with PAC-12, than teams like Michigan, MSU and Purdue will not be able to continue to schedule ND. JD has slowed played this and right now is the time to start to rachet up the pressure. The timeline on this will depend on what the school presidents do with the BCS 4TP proposal in the next couple months.


    Look for JD to make to offer that ND can not refuse soon, very soon.


    Then it is just a matter of making the call to Rutgers to finalize the deal.


    Rutgers and ND join the B1G, a 10 state conference with a huge number of TV's in the BTN!!!!

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    I'd much prefer ND to join Texas and they can have a 2 team conference. Leave them out in the cold!!!

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    Texas needs ND to come to the Big 12. They know without adding some bigger names to the conference, it is going to be taking on water. Texas fans have been hyping the ND to the Big 12 on SXM and elsewhere.

    B1G would love ND, but the conference is not in trouble if it does not get them, or another big name to join. The B1G can probable stand pat if they want.

    However, I think the balance of powers in the negotiations has drastically shifted. The B1G now has some leverage over ND, and ND is running out of chips. There is no question that the relationship between ND and the B1G would be mutually beneficial. I have zero.point.zero love for ND, but I can also see how they would be a tremendous addition to the conference.

    If they ended up in the Legends division, it would be great to know that UNL v. UND would be an annual match-up in perpetuity. Nebraska v. Michigan, Nebraska v. Penn State (until their program is shut down because there is no $$$ left), and Nebraska v. Notre Dame, would be an outstanding yearly set of games.

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    What does Rutgers get you?

    Football legacy like NU, Michigan or Ohio State? NO
    TV footprint? As pointed out by others NYC is not a college football town that Rutgers can call home. NO

    I could make a better case for Kansas because of basketball and KC market. In fact I suspect you'd get more TV in KC because of Kansas than you would in NYC because of Rutgers.
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