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    Quote Originally Posted by Squatchsker View Post
    Good God, if President Obama cured cancer people would bitch that he was taking money out of the hands of pharma reps.
    couldn't agree more...it's becoming really laughable


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    My best guess is that this is a complete non-issue. Breitbart is just being partisan. I'll bet such a provision is pretty standard for such high level actions.

    I used to work in an investment business where the investment committee would decide to put up to $20 million at risk. Approval had to be granted before the deals were fully negotiated, and inevitably things would change both in the terms and conditions of the transactions and in the underlying businesses before the deal would close. We just used some boilerplate language to the effect that approval for the investment was granted subject to no material changes. That's pretty much the same thing that is happening here.
    "It doesn't matter where you start or how people perceive you now or what your potential is. ... It's going to be how this football team comes together and meets the challenges ... I like our potential, but there's a lot of teams that like their potential. It's going to be how we put things together, how we grow and how we come together as a team. It's not going to be the best collection of talent, it's going to be the best team. ...." - Bo Pelini, Big 10 Media Days, 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuZkurZ View Post
    Let's just stop this nonsense at health care. You may think he took it head on but, with control of both houses and spending every ounce of political capital he had to shove through an unpopular, partisan health care bill by having to give cornhusker kickbacks and Louisiana purchase deals behind closed doors when his time should have been spent addressing an economic emergency that, because of his ideology and ego, still plagues us after 3 1/2 years under his leadership.

    Health care has been a problem for 30 plus years. Obama was the first to even seriously try to do something about it. Give him credit for that -- and he even went with a Pub plan.

    He did address the economic crisis and we are in the midst of a recovery.

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    It was a gutsy call by all involved. I don't think that can be disputed. If it had failed, would we even know? The US killed Usama and we still don't know the exact details of the event. The failed attack under Bush at Tora Bora wasn't a major downfall for him, so I don't think a failed attempt under Obama would have derailed his presidency (other issues will, should be not be re-elected).


    However, there is a certain amount of irony in a Nobel Peace Prize recipient politicizing 'making the call' on killing someone, even if it is OBL.


    EDIT - I should add that it is asinine for anyone to act as if the call is 'gutsy' for some politician. The call was 'gutsy' for our military members who are out there putting their neck on the line. Politicians on both sides view military actions as nothing more than playing with plastic green military men. On the whole I do not feel they respect or value the potential loss of life when sending our men and women to God-forsaken countries putting their lives on the line.

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    My guess is that Obama is able to recognize one has to be pretty stout when ordering military action,so I wouldn't criticize him too much. And at the end of the day, his decisions on this were right.

    If anything though, he might defer too much to the military people because of that. Which may not be a good thing. I don't have a great deal of confidence he has the ability to set a strong course himself. I suspect he tries to listen to all view points on issues, not just military, and kind of take an average. Someone with more experience acting in an executive capacity is likely more comfortable making decisions which have consequences. Experience is a real qualifier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    it was a good call. OBL is dead.
    This.

    Not sure it was very gutsy but definitely worth the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huskernut View Post
    My best guess is that this is a complete non-issue. Breitbart is just being partisan. I'll bet such a provision is pretty standard for such high level actions.

    I used to work in an investment business where the investment committee would decide to put up to $20 million at risk. Approval had to be granted before the deals were fully negotiated, and inevitably things would change both in the terms and conditions of the transactions and in the underlying businesses before the deal would close. We just used some boilerplate language to the effect that approval for the investment was granted subject to no material changes. That's pretty much the same thing that is happening here.
    Exactly. This is a complete non-issue. It's sad that people work so hard to deprive the president of the right to take credit for what is a legitimate accomplishment.

    HuzKurz, give me an honest answer on this. If a Republican president had ordered this operation and it had succeeded, and Huffington Post had come out with the exact same article, would you agree with HuffPo on this, or would you see this as a pathetic partisan attempt to discredit a legitimate accomplishment?
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    He should get credit for killing Bin Laden and also for this:

    Republican Sen. John McCain on Friday blasted President Barack Obama for casting doubt on whether Mitt Romney would have ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, calling it "a cheap political attack." The Obama campaign leveled its attack in a new campaign ad.
    And this:

    "This is the same President who said, after bin Laden was dead, that we shouldn't 'spike the ball' after the touchdown. And now Barack Obama is not only trying to score political points by invoking Osama bin Laden, he is doing a shameless end-zone dance to help himself get reelected," the senator thundered.
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    maybe mccain should go out into the sunset and retire! his time has passed...and what thunder? he barely registers a whimper nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Point View Post
    It was a gutsy call by all involved. I don't think that can be disputed. If it had failed, would we even know? The US killed Usama and we still don't know the exact details of the event. The failed attack under Bush at Tora Bora wasn't a major downfall for him, so I don't think a failed attempt under Obama would have derailed his presidency (other issues will, should be not be re-elected).


    However, there is a certain amount of irony in a Nobel Peace Prize recipient politicizing 'making the call' on killing someone, even if it is OBL.


    EDIT - I should add that it is asinine for anyone to act as if the call is 'gutsy' for some politician. The call was 'gutsy' for our military members who are out there putting their neck on the line. Politicians on both sides view military actions as nothing more than playing with plastic green military men. On the whole I do not feel they respect or value the potential loss of life when sending our men and women to God-forsaken countries putting their lives on the line.
    This stands out to be even more true when you portray yourself as being the only person who will make the call and insinuating that someone who opposes you in an election wouldn't have done the same.
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    It was the right call. It was not gutsy. The ones carrying out the raid were gutsy. The US military gathered the intel and pulled it off. BTW, there are those in military circles who report Seal Team 6 did not carry out the raid - it was actually Delta Force-- no source here and no joke either.
    Obama is not a military leader. A military leader would not gut the armed forces budget and say we don't need a large standing army any more and we can't afford it. A military leader would not jack up spending beyond comprehension, creating a budget crisis, and then tell the military to cut $500 billion from its annual budget. A military leader would not publicly state that special forces can take care of our nation's military needs now. A military leader would not abandon the US policy of having a sufficient standiing army to fight 2 wars at the same time.
    Give Obama credit for making the right call to kill OBL. It was a no-brainer. It was not gutsy. And Obama is no military leader.
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    we should never had a policy to fight 2 wars at the same time...that was stupid. Obama is more of a military leader than Bush ever was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    we should never had a policy to fight 2 wars at the same time...that was stupid. Obama is more of a military leader than Bush ever was.
    And I had actually agreed with you in this thread...up until now.

    NOT 2 wars...2 battlefields in the same war.

    I'd also wager it's much easier, and makes one look more the hero, to be able to "bring the troops home." Making the "gutsy" call to send troops into harms way, especially when some feel they shouldn't be there, are good qualitys of a military leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redmachine View Post
    And I had actually agreed with you in this thread...up until now.

    NOT 2 wars...2 battlefields in the same war.

    I'd also wager it's much easier, and makes one look more the hero, to be able to "bring the troops home." Making the "gutsy" call to send troops into harms way, especially when some feel they shouldn't be there, are good qualitys of a military leader.

    For me, it wasn't about bringing the troops home. It was about better planning and strategy when confronted with the possibility of conflict. You do have a point kind of with the 2 battle fields in the same war. My question is the theatre in which they were played out. Iraq and Afghanistan are 2 completely different theatres, you can't really compare the 2. Also the purposes/reasons for going into both theatres were different, not the same in my opinion. Obama has sent troops in also against the majority opinion. In fact I actually supported the Afghanistan theatre but was opposed to the Iraq one. Hope that makes sense?

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    Had time to watch the ad. Not as bad as I was expecting.

    Given that there are Republicans comparing Obama to Jimmy Carter, I'd say it's a smart campaign move.

    It pretty much just uses Romney's own words against him, which will continue to be a problem for Romney as the election moves along. His pandering to the far right will provide plenty of sound bites, and deservedly so.

    Who is Mitt Romney and what would he do? Not real trustworthy at this point.







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