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    The real George Zimmerman

    This Reuters piece really paints a picture into his background, relationship in the neighborhood, and the problems they had with robberies. Looks like a good neighbor that stepped forward to help.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83O18H20120425



    Comment from a neighbor:

    Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.
    "Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."

    Neighbor Newsletter that went out:

    The Retreat at Twin Lakes e-newsletter for February 2012 noted: "The Sanford PD has announced an increased patrol within our neighborhood ... during peak crime hours.
    "If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."

    One of the Break-ins and Zimmermans response:
    But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.
    On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.
    "I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.
    Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.
    After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.
    "He was so mellow and calm, very helpful and very, very sweet," she said last week. "We didn't really know George at first, but after the break-in we talked to him on a daily basis. People were freaked out. It wasn't just George calling police ... we were calling police at least once a week."

    More crime background:
    On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.
    "I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.
    On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.
    Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.
    Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

    Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.
    "We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.
    The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.
    This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.



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    I'd say one would have to throw out, or at least seriously reconsider, the notion that Zimmerman was simply racially profiling Martin when he called the police.
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    From the beginning, this thing seemed like a wildly unfortunate series of events, ending with the firing of a gun.

    Still can't fathom why they charged him with 2nd degree murder. Then again, given that the state of Florida over did the charges with Casey Anthony, it's no surprise really.

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    "Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlack&Blue View Post
    From the beginning, this thing seemed like a wildly unfortunate series of events, ending with the firing of a gun.

    Still can't fathom why they charged him with 2nd degree murder. Then again, given that the state of Florida over did the charges with Casey Anthony, it's no surprise really.
    Not only will they have to prove a "depraved mind", but they are going to have to over come a whole bunch of neighbors testifying on his behalf. So we have a charge that requires proof of a state-of-mind leaving out the background forming the state-of-mind. Then when you add in leaving out eye-witness testimony favorable to the defendant when none exists for the prosecution and proof of injuries to the defendant that support that testimony, you seriously have to question the prosecution filing the charge they did. How on earth are they going to ever prove this case and get an entire jury to go along with it?

    Finally, when is the AG going to issue a statement that they are no longer investigating this case at the federal level as a hate crime? They said they are investigating it. But after disproved audio, a history that contradicts racism, and now a neighborhood that has already profiled a crime spree to certain suspects, why isn't this put to rest as it is not a hate crime.

    And while we are at it, let's bring in the TSA. Maybe they can testify on how superior comprehensive inspection is to criminal profiling. Heck, the way this is shaping up, they may be the best witness for the prosecution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlack&Blue View Post
    From the beginning, this thing seemed like a wildly unfortunate series of events, ending with the firing of a gun.
    Yes, couldn't agree more, RB&B. Trayvon didn't deserve to die. But I don't think Zimmerman is the racial bigot monster that some are making him out to be either, and although he's alive, his life as he's known it is pretty well over at this point too.

    Quote Originally Posted by redmachine View Post
    I'd say one would have to throw out, or at least seriously reconsider, the notion that Zimmerman was simply racially profiling Martin when he called the police.
    Yes - interesting that at least some of the black residents share that opinion and are strongly supportive of him. No doubt mistakes were made that night, definitely by Zimmerman for having the gun and following Trayvon, maybe by Trayvon, and we may never know that side. But I think this story really helps to give the mindset of Zimmerman AND the community at the time of this unfortunate event.

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    At least two black adults, who both know Zimmerman, dismiss any notion that he's racist or acts with racial bias.
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    Coming down the stretch, "Not enuf Info" gaining ground quickly on the outside...

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    will the real slim shady please stand up?!

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    My issue, since the debunking of the racial epithets on the 911 call, has been and started with the fact that he didnt pay attention to the 911 operator and chased the kid. You know how it goes, 10 atta boys are ruined by one awe shucks. Well his awe shucks ended with a 17 year old kid dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squatchsker View Post
    My issue, since the debunking of the racial epithets on the 911 call, has been and started with the fact that he didnt pay attention to the 911 operator and chased the kid. You know how it goes, 10 atta boys are ruined by one awe shucks. Well his awe shucks ended with a 17 year old kid dead.
    Actually his awe shucks ended with him getting beat up.

    For Martin, beating up Zimmerman ended up with him getting shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRum View Post
    Actually his awe shucks ended with him getting beat up.

    For Martin, beating up Zimmerman ended up with him getting shot.
    You say tomato, I say manslaughter.

    For someone that is from what I can tell a believer in consequences for your actions, you sure take a left turn at Albequerque on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squatchsker View Post
    You say tomato, I say manslaughter.

    For someone that is from what I can tell a believer in consequences for your actions, you sure take a left turn at Albequerque on this one.
    I used to live in Albuquerque. That's how it's spelled. TIA.

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