After how many years we have been fighting this battle

[RedPhoenix]

Scary.

Although, some good news in there as well:

Yeah, I did notice that.

[RedPhoenix]

That said, I still don't think employers should be in the health care business, but that's a different discussion for a different thread.

You and me both.

[SealBeachHusker]

I actually have no problem with these policies. Let them extend them to THC and alcohol use.

Given the high cost of medical care and that the employer bears that burden, they've got the right.

That said, I still don't think employers should be in the health care business, but that's a different discussion for a different thread.

What about extending to dangerous hobbies/activities? Sexual practices? If it's simply about healthcare costs and risk then shouldn't all personal decisions be evaluated?

[RedBlack&Blue]

What about extending to dangerous hobbies/activities? Sexual practices? If it's simply about healthcare costs and risk then shouldn't all personal decisions be evaluated?

As long as employers remain in the health care business, and as long as health care costs continue to rise, I believe this will happen anyway.

I never thought obese people would be singled out as they are, but it's happening.

I guess it goes beyond right or wrong. It's just cold, hard numbers at work for some employers.

[Pops]

I actually have no problem with these policies. Let them extend them to THC and alcohol use.

Given the high cost of medical care and that the employer bears that burden, they've got the right.

That said, I still don't think employers should be in the health care business, but that's a different discussion for a different thread.

alcohol causes far more problems that pot does and far more problem within a society

[SealBeachHusker]

As long as employers remain in the health care business, and as long as health care costs continue to rise, I believe this will happen anyway.

I never thought obese people would be singled out as they are, but it's happening.

I guess it goes beyond right or wrong. It's just cold, hard numbers at work for some employers.

Although, as noted, 30 states have laws expressly protecting employees' participation in off-duty legal activities. The overweight example is based on a person being overweight, which is not a protected class. And the smoking example is in Massachusetts, not one of the 30 with laws protecting employees' participation in legal off-duty activities.

[OmaHusker]

As long as employers remain in the health care business, and as long as health care costs continue to rise, I believe this will happen anyway.

You don't think that when government runs health care they won't do the same thing?

[RedBlack&Blue]

Although, as noted, 30 states have laws expressly protecting employees' participation in off-duty legal activities. The overweight example is based on a person being overweight, which is not a protected class. And the smoking example is in Massachusetts, not one of the 30 with laws protecting employees' participation in legal off-duty activities.

True. Maybe the punitive action will come in the form of higher health insurance premiums at work.

[Sonuvahusker]

You don't think that when government runs health care they won't do the same thing?

I don't. Heck, they give away money today like it's candy and don't hold the recipients responsible. Can you imagine the uproar if they required weekly drug testing for those who receive unemployment benefits or food stamps?

[RedBlack&Blue]

You don't think that when government runs health care they won't do the same thing?

Regardless of who runs it, the cost of health care means people will need to be accountable for their actions to a degree that, right now, is kind of hard to imagine.

Health insurance will probably look more like life insurance in that regard.

So, maybe ultimately the greatest control of drug use won't be laws, but the hit your pocket book takes with higher premiums.

[OmaHusker]

Regardless of who runs it, the cost of health care means people will need to be accountable for their actions to a degree that, right now, is kind of hard to imagine.

Health insurance will probably look more like life insurance in that regard.

So, maybe ultimately the greatest control of drug use won't be laws, but the hit your pocket book takes with higher premiums.

I doubt the typical addict cares about the cost of premiums. They'll just steal more or hook more to make up the difference.

Drugs are insidiously corrosive.

[Pops]

I doubt the typical addict cares about the cost of premiums. They'll just steal more or hook more to make up the difference.

Drugs are insidiously corrosive.

what drugs are you talking about?

[OmaHusker]

what drugs are you talking about?

heroin, meth, cocaine, etc.

[Huskers57]

heroin, meth, cocaine, etc.

ah yes. the hard drugs.

[OmaHusker]

Drugs are insidiously corrosive.

ah yes. the hard drugs.

You don't agree?

[Huskers57]

You don't agree?

not when it comes to marijuana.

[Pops]

heroin, meth, cocaine, etc.

why would a heroin user be more apt to commit those crimes that someone that abuses alcohol?

The detox off of alcohol is far worse than any other drug....

[OmaHusker]

why would a heroin user be more apt to commit those crimes that someone that abuses alcohol?

The detox off of alcohol is far worse than any other drug....

I don't recall saying that they would.

[cm husker]

I doubt the typical addict cares about the cost of premiums. They'll just steal more or hook more to make up the difference.

Drugs are insidiously corrosive.

Not sure what is insidious about the threat.

Nobody I know thinks we should encourage or even condone drug use, but there are other ways to address the problem that dont cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

[Pops]

I don't recall saying that they would.

ok, I asked what drugs and you didnt list alcohol

just the ones they use scare tactic with