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    A piece on Atheists

    I found this piece interesting on Atheists:

    The number of disbelievers is growing, but they remain America's least trusted minority. Why? How many atheists are there?
    David Silverman, president of American Atheists, claims these Nones as members of his tribe. "If you don't have a belief in God, you're an atheist," he said. "It doesn't matter what you call yourself."
    How are nonbelievers perceived?
    Most polls suggest that atheists are among the most disliked groups in the U.S. One study last year asked participants whether a fictional hit-and-run driver was more likely to be an atheist or a rapist. A majority chose atheist. In 2006, another study found that Americans rated atheists as less likely to agree with their vision of America than Muslims, Hispanics, or homosexuals. "Wherever there are religious majorities, atheists are among the least trusted people," said University of British Columbia sociologist Will M. Gervais. As a result, avowed atheists are rare in nearly all areas of public life. Of the 535 legislators in Congress, for example, only one — Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) — calls himself an atheist.
    Alain de Botton, the Anglo-Swiss writer of the new book Religion for Atheists, assails Dawkins as being "very narrow-minded," and praises religions as "the most successful educational and intellectual movements the planet has ever witnessed."
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    http://news.yahoo.com/rise-atheism-a...110700315.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    Atheists are just so damn cool.
    Word.

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    One study last year asked participants whether a fictional hit-and-run driver was more likely to be an atheist or a rapist. A majority chose atheist
    Thats hilarious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
    Thats hilarious!
    Hopefully you read the article beyond the quotes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    Hopefully you read the article beyond the quotes...
    Yup. That part was just hilarious though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    Hopefully you read the article beyond the quotes...
    I'll say this much. This country spent the better part of the last century fearing those godless Soviets. Do I think it's a coincidence that religious Americans still distrust atheists? Nope...

    Alain de Botton, the Anglo-Swiss writer of the new book Religion for Atheists, assails Dawkins as being "very narrow-minded," and praises religions as "the most successful educational and intellectual movements the planet has ever witnessed."
    Dawkins is kind of a dork, but the bolded is also on the verge of becoming a historical relic. Islamic territory was a hotbed of intellectual development 1,000 years ago. Standardized language, standardized law, free flow of information. (That started to fall apart when the Mongols sacked Baghdad in the mid-1200s.)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

    Meanwhile the Catholics were sentencing Galileo to house arrest for daring to advance heliocentrism.

    The rise of secular governments, public education, etc. has made it possible for progress to now take place outside the scope of religion, not necessarily in spite of or because of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishioka View Post
    I'll say this much. This country spent the better part of the last century fearing those godless Soviets. Do I think it's a coincidence that religious Americans still distrust atheists? Nope...



    Dawkins is kind of a dork, but the bolded is also on the verge of becoming a historical relic. Islamic territory was a hotbed of intellectual development 1,000 years ago. Standardized language, standardized law, free flow of information. (That started to fall apart when the Mongols sacked Baghdad in the mid-1200s.)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

    Meanwhile the Catholics were sentencing Galileo to house arrest for daring to advance heliocentrism.

    The rise of secular governments, public education, etc. has made it possible for progress to now take place outside the scope of religion, not necessarily in spite of or because of it.
    Who are the people who get credit for this secular government?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    Who are the people who get credit for this secular government?
    Easy answer is the Founding Fathers™. That's also the wrong answer, imo, or at a minimum a cop-out.

    Anybody who helped cut strings between the Catholic Church and western European society over the last 600-700 years inevitably contributed to what we have today. Henry VIII told the Pope to go jump in a lake so he could get a divorce. Martin Luther's Ninety-Five Theses gave rise to the Protestant movement. These events (among others) inevitably created a layer of separation between moral authority and... well, actual authority. That's not to say religion in general wasn't a powerful influence at that point; it just loses a bit of its oomph when you don't have Popes coronating and holding sway over rulers anymore. (That ended with in the Holy Roman Empire with... who, Maximilian I? I forget now... I blame the beer)

    What we have today is really a natural progression from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post

    How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlack&Blue View Post
    How so?
    I believe its a comparison to using rational thought in a country where the majority looks to faith. Its just a clever little saying thats been around forever. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Is it necessary to break it down? The kitty who wants a cheezburger probably shouldn't have one either. I wonder if anyone has questioned the dietary guidelines of feeding a cat people food with poor nutritional value?
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    Quick question, let's say there is a fictional person who is a pedophile, is that person more likely to be a Christian or one of the original members of the lollipop guild?

    OMG everyone answered Christian! That means everyone hates Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishioka View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    Hopefully you read the article beyond the quotes...
    I'll say this much. This country spent the better part of the last century fearing those godless Soviets. Do I think it's a coincidence that religious Americans still distrust atheists? Nope...

    Alain de Botton, the Anglo-Swiss writer of the new book Religion for Atheists, assails Dawkins as being "very narrow-minded," and praises religions as "the most successful educational and intellectual movements the planet has ever witnessed."
    Dawkins is kind of a dork, but the bolded is also on the verge of becoming a historical relic. Islamic territory was a hotbed of intellectual development 1,000 years ago. Standardized language, standardized law, free flow of information. (That started to fall apart when the Mongols sacked Baghdad in the mid-1200s.)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

    Meanwhile the Catholics were sentencing Galileo to house arrest for daring to advance heliocentrism.

    The rise of secular governments, public education, etc. has made it possible for progress to now take place outside the scope of religion, not necessarily in spite of or because of it.
    Ironically, academe is the entity trending towards the one-sided, dogmatic, and closed-minded.







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