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bout time
http://news.yahoo.com/conn-legislature-approves-repeal-death-penalty-030 Government sponsored murder seems to be going the way of the horse and carriage. Our civilization advances
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 Originally Posted by SamBass
Anti-death penalty?
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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yes and I can't seem to get the link to work, my apologies
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 Originally Posted by SamBass
yes and I can't seem to get the link to work, my apologies
I kind of figured it from the text in your post, why are you anti-death penalty?
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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 Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land
I kind of figured it from the text in your post, why are you anti-death penalty?
While I am not anti-death penalty, I certainly understand the argument from those who are.
"Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out."-George Carlin
"It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled".-Mark Twain
  
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 Originally Posted by ColoREDo
While I am not anti-death penalty, I certainly understand the argument from those who are.
I am not anti-death penalty either, but I am also not to concerned if death penalties are repealed. Michigan does not have a death penalty and there are groups fighting to get it here tooth and nail.
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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Almost like it's a formality. They have only executed one person since 1960.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...in_Connecticut
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
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 Originally Posted by Nishioka
In Connecticut it is mostly a waste of space, here in Detroit, they would be very busy. You have any feelings on it?
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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My concerns are threefold. The challenge of executing an innocent human, the exponential cost of an execution and my concern for our evolving civilization and the lack of success execution has had at deterring capitol crimes.
(thanks for the link Nish)
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 Originally Posted by SamBass
My concerns are threefold. The challenge of executing an innocent human, the exponential cost of an execution and my concern for our evolving civilization and the lack of success execution has had at deterring capitol crimes.
(thanks for the link Nish)
The challenge of executing an innocent human?
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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...cases where an individual is convicted of a capitol crime, executed and then proven innocent
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 Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land
In Connecticut it is mostly a waste of space, here in Detroit, they would be very busy. You have any feelings on it?
Not a huge fan of it. Sure, it's nice to have for people like Timothy McVeigh, but functionally I think it's a waste of time. We keep guys on death row literally for decades while they work their way through the appeals process and other various administrivia. Here in NE there's a bit of a brouhaha because the state purchased some sodium thiopental it was apparently not supposed to be able to have access to, and is now barred from using that drug to execute a guy who's pushing 30 years on death row. Maybe I'm just lazy, but at some point I would have said look, Michael Ryan is never seeing the outside of a jail cell ever again, let's just call it good and quit wasting time on him. Put him on bread and water, reduce medical care available to him, and throw away the key to his cell.
http://journalstar.com/news/local/cr...5d44569fb.html
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
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 Originally Posted by SamBass
...cases where an individual is convicted of a capitol crime, executed and then proven innocent
If they were able to perfect the criminal justice system so that could not happen how would you feel about the death penalty then?
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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Red Shirt

 Originally Posted by Nishioka
Put him on bread and water
Not illegal in Nebraska.
29-2208. Sentence to imprisonment in the county jail; hard labor; bread and water.
When any court or magistrate shall sentence any convict to imprisonment in the jail of the county as a punishment for the offense committed, the judgment and sentence shall require that the convict be imprisoned in the cell of the jail of the county, or that he be kept at hard labor in the jail; and when the imprisonment is to be without labor, the sentence may require the convict to be fed on bread and water only, the whole or any part of the term of imprisonment.
http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/law...tatute=29-2208
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I would still be against it.
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 Originally Posted by SamBass
My concerns are threefold. The challenge of executing an innocent human, the exponential cost of an execution and my concern for our evolving civilization and the lack of success execution has had at deterring capitol crimes.
(thanks for the link Nish)
 Originally Posted by SamBass
I would still be against it.
There is no reason a civilization as advanced as ours still has this on the books -- not to mention the kinds of kill stats Texas has put up. Further, I am always amazed at how so many on the pro-life side turn an apathetic gaze toward -- or whole-heartedly approve of -- capital punishment.
"...when I came to Nebraska I was blown away and said 'dang, this is ridiculous.' It was way nicer here than Oklahoma." Trai Mosley
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 Originally Posted by Husker Mort
 There is no reason a civilization as advanced as ours still has this on the books -- not to mention the kinds of kill stats Texas has put up. Further, I am always amazed at how so many on the pro-life side turn an apathetic gaze toward -- or whole-heartedly approve of -- capital punishment.
The support of life for the innocent is completely consistent with a pro captital punishment postition.
God bless Texas.
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good move by Connecticut.
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He is the messiah.
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 Originally Posted by SamBass
My concerns are threefold. The challenge of executing an innocent human, the exponential cost of an execution and my concern for our evolving civilization and the lack of success execution has had at deterring capitol crimes.
(thanks for the link Nish)
Seems there are four reasons here.
We've ruled out the first as a reason, since even if it never happened, you'd still be against the death penalty.
What is the cost of an execution compared to housing a prisoner for life?
We can rule out the 3rd if the purpose is to punish rather than deter.
I'm still wrapping my head about what you mean by "advancing civilization" because that's so ambiguous and subjective.
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I dont mind seeing people fry for some the heinous crimes they commit....I love the smell of pentobarbital in the morning

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