Do we NEED voter ID?

[Sonuvahusker]

In other words, you support gay marriage.

I've made it. I know I have when you resort to your "in other words" tactics.

[RedPhoenix]

Figured that would get your attention. Care to point out to Rick how his post means he supports gay marriage?

[Husker Mort]

The fact that someone got Holders ballot doesn't mean there is an epidemic of voter fraud. It shows how easy it yes and that needs to be fixed. We need to do things that increase voter participation...talking about fraud and such lowers voter turn out.

Agree 100%, FLA, but wonder about the solution. The supposed epidemic of voter fraud should be more clearly defined before a "solution" to solve said problem can be defined, no?

A photo ID seems like a really easy solution, but it is not that cut-and-dry. Especially if you (1) are not mobile, (2) work 2-3 jobs that don't allow for a half-day at the DMV, or (3) live in a state pushing through voter identification laws as this video from Wisconisn attests: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0G01zbHGM8

Anyone who watches the video above and still doesn't believe we need some form of voter ID...is a proponent of voter fraud.

Please reread your own post and consider whether you are comfortable with the level of hyperbole you employ.

Yes. If pubs take the reins and pursue this get ready for the lib campaign "Pubs war on voters".

...with good reason if it is done like it has been in Wisconsin, Ohio, or Florida -- where DMV office hours have been truncated, early voting windows narrowed or eliminated, and mandatory fees are charged.

I propose reducing food stamp recipients by 5% to pay for it. Once we have voter ID addressed we can move on to the problem presented by the NBPP, ACORN and voter intimidation from the left.

Though this was worth reposting, just for its amazing insight into the mind of a voter ID proponent.

[HuZkurZ]

Agree 100%, FLA, but wonder about the solution. The supposed epidemic of voter fraud should be more clearly defined before a "solution" to solve said problem can be defined, no?

A photo ID seems like a really easy solution, but it is not that cut-and-dry. Especially if you (1) are not mobile, (2) work 2-3 jobs that don't allow for a half-day at the DMV, or (3) live in a state pushing through voter identification laws as this video from Wisconisn attests: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0G01zbHGM8





Please reread your own post and consider whether you are comfortable with the level of hyperbole you employ.





...with good reason if it is done like it has been in Wisconsin, Ohio, or Florida -- where DMV office hours have been truncated, early voting windows narrowed or eliminated, and mandatory fees are charged. With those the left bus in to vote for a dem in exchange for a samich hours don't matter because they don't have jobs anyway

Though this was worth reposting, just for its amazing insight into the mind of a voter ID proponent Black NBPP members standing around with clubs isn't a big deal with you? Got it.

Glad to see what type of mind Mort has.

[FLA4NEB]

Agree 100%, FLA, but wonder about the solution. The supposed epidemic of voter fraud should be more clearly defined before a "solution" to solve said problem can be defined, no?

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We have to increase voter turn out and the best way to do that is to increased perceived integrity of the system. Many of the debates we have on voting and increasing voter turn out only add to re-enforce the preconceived notion that your vote won't count (due to fraud as well as other concerns). These preconceptions are no were higher than in minority communities. Most Americans don't vote and most americans want Voter ID. I think that Voter ID would make more Americans feel better about our voting system and that would encourage them to participate...I think that minority communities would be the bigger gains.

Voter ID doesn't suppress the vote...all the false or shaded negativity about things like Voter ID suppresses the vote.

How would you suggest we make people feel more secure about our voting system and their vote?

[OmaHusker]

Okay, but how is the determination made? If the guy in the OP had actually taken Holder's ballot, signed for it, and used it, how would it be found to be fraudulent?

The fact that someone got Holders ballot doesn't mean there is an epidemic of voter fraud. It shows how easy it yes and that needs to be fixed.

I won't argue but that doesn't answer my question. How would the fraudulent use of Holder's ballot be detected?

[SealBeachHusker]

Would seem that a voter ID card would be a way of streamlining and standardizing the voting process. Could be used in association with other technologies to create easier access to voting...and in the end result in more people voting.

[Formo]

Would seem that a voter ID card would be a way of streamlining and standardizing the voting process. Could be used in association with other technologies to create easier access to voting...and in the end result in more people voting.

Yeah, I would agree.

I won't go as far as to say we NEED voter ID.. but it sure would be nice knowing that my neighbors are legal citizens at the booth.

[SamBass]

You see someone providing a photo ID at the time they vote, i.e. drivers license, as an expansion of government?

If you consider the average governmental cost incurred for each voter would be around 5 bucks and the average voter turnout is
around 130 million, then yes a rather large expansion

[kpaso]

Breitbart

Here's the video:



What more do they need? The system is flawed and needs to be fixed to preserve the integrity of the process.

What an absolutely brilliant video! If that is not proof why we need voter ID I don't know what is. Anyone who says we don't is in denial.

[HuZkurZ]

If you consider the average governmental cost incurred for each voter would be around 5 bucks and the average voter turnout is
around 130 million, then yes a rather large expansion

Heck, that's just a Solyndra loan.

[redmachine]

If you consider the average governmental cost incurred for each voter would be around 5 bucks and the average voter turnout is
around 130 million, then yes a rather large expansion

How many of that 130 million already have ID? I'd wager it's a pretty large percentage.

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

How many of that 130 million already have ID? I'd wager it's a pretty large percentage.

I would too, the next question to you RM is tell me about the backgrounds of people you find who don't have photo IDs?

[Pops]

I would too, the next question to you RM is tell me about the backgrounds of people you find who don't have photo IDs?

pubs are getting more and more people into prison...wont be long and the ones they allow to vote will be the only ones voting

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

pubs are getting more and more people into prison...wont be long and the ones they allow to vote will be the only ones voting

I guess I will take post as a measurable number of people who don't have photo IDs do that because they don't want to be identified. So if we offer photo ids to this group of people would they even accept them to vote?

Another question is raised by this, should convicted felons be allowed to vote?

[Pops]

I guess I will take post as a measurable number of people who don't have photo IDs do that because they don't want to be identified. So if we offer photo ids to this group of people would they even accept them to vote?

Another question is raised by this, should convicted felons be allowed to vote?

if they did their time...yes they should be allowed to vote

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

if they did their time...yes they should be allowed to vote

A lot of people don't agree with that.

Is it just a matter of doing the time?
Or is it because they live here too?

[Husker Mort]

I would too, the next question to you RM is tell me about the backgrounds of people you find who don't have photo IDs?

I guess I will take post as a measurable number of people who don't have photo IDs do that because they don't want to be identified. So if we offer photo ids to this group of people would they even accept them to vote?

These folks are not quite as criminal or vindictive as you may want to believe, RIBL. Mostly minority and elderly residents. http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/201...or-couple.html

180,000 registered voters in S. Carolina (53% over age 45)
18% of seniors in Pennsylvania.

According to a study done at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, there is a sizable portion of the voting age population without the necessary state-issued photographic identification, including 55 percent of African American men, 49 percent of African American women, 46 percent of Hispanic men and 59 percent of Hispanic women. The study also found 78 percent of African American men age 18-24 and 66 percent of African American women age 18-24 were without licenses.

Wisconsin DMVs:
91 Locations
26% Open One Day/mo or Less
1 Location with Weekend Hours
3 Counties with No Location
More than Half Open Part-Time

The study found 14 percent of Wisconsin residents – 558,000 people – lack a driver’s license or state-issued photo ID. If that percentage held true in Indiana, some 620,000 citizens would lack the requisite ID.

If we want to confirm residency, utility bills or birth certificates should suffice. If a state-issued photo IDs is, somehow, the minimum threshold state governments need to extend the evening and weekend hours of the DMV, open an office in every town (maybe the post office?), and have a mobile unit that reaches out to the less mobile among us. Deal?

[ChitownHusker]

These folks are not quite as criminal or vindictive as you may want to believe, RIBL. Mostly minority and elderly residents. http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/201...or-couple.html

180,000 registered voters in S. Carolina (53% over age 45)
18% of seniors in Pennsylvania.



Wisconsin DMVs:
91 Locations
26% Open One Day/mo or Less
1 Location with Weekend Hours
3 Counties with No Location
More than Half Open Part-Time



If we want to confirm residency, utility bills or birth certificates should suffice. If a state-issued photo IDs is, somehow, the minimum threshold state governments need to extend the evening and weekend hours of the DMV, open an office in every town (maybe the post office?), and have a mobile unit that reaches out to the less mobile among us. Deal?

Would you agree with me that providing these people with a free photo ID will help them in other areas of life, including opening bank accounts, getting a job, and owning property?

If you do, then why aren't programs like this a win-win for everyone involved?

I know the old saw is that these laws are voter suppression in disguise, but if the laws provide an easy and cost-free means for obtaining a photo ID, then I can't really buy that argument. If someone can't be bothered to undergo a 5 or 10 minute process to obtain the free ID, then that's on them, not the state, in my opinion.

I will say I agree with your last point: if a state photo ID is mandatory, then the state needs to make the process of obtaining one as easy as possible.

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

These folks are not quite as criminal or vindictive as you may want to believe, RIBL. Mostly minority and elderly residents. http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/201...or-couple.html

180,000 registered voters in S. Carolina (53% over age 45)
18% of seniors in Pennsylvania.



Wisconsin DMVs:
91 Locations
26% Open One Day/mo or Less
1 Location with Weekend Hours
3 Counties with No Location
More than Half Open Part-Time



If we want to confirm residency, utility bills or birth certificates should suffice. If a state-issued photo IDs is, somehow, the minimum threshold state governments need to extend the evening and weekend hours of the DMV, open an office in every town (maybe the post office?), and have a mobile unit that reaches out to the less mobile among us. Deal?

I didn't say they were all convicted felons, but since you posted this we should talk about it.

Since you have provided Wisconsin as an example, here is what you have to do:

How to Register to Vote
As of January 1, 2006, all municipalities in Wisconsin require voter registration prior to a person being allowed to vote.

The federal "Help American Vote Act of 2002" requires any person registering to vote to supply his or her Wisconsin Department of Transportation-issued driver's license number.

Electors who have not been issued a Wisconsin driver license must provide the last four digits of their Social Security Number OR their Wisconsin state ID card number.

If the elector does not have a current, valid Wisconsin driver license, Wisconsin state ID card, or Social Security Number, the applicant may indicate this by filling in the appropriate circle on the registration form. (Box 2 on GAB-131)

http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/v...tration-voting

Wow, look free Wisconsin ID cards that you can apply for on-line...

FREE Wisconsin ID cards for voting
ID cards used for voting are FREE. If you are a U.S. citizen, will be at least 18 years of age by the next election, and require a Wisconsin ID card to vote, please check the ID for FREE box when completing the MV3004 (405 KB) - Wisconsin Identification Card (ID) Application or when applying online. Otherwise, please pay the required fee. DMV service centers accept cash or checks only.

A free ID card is NOT available under the following circumstances:

If you currently have a valid, unexpired driver license (DL), you are not eligible under Wisconsin law to obtain an ID.
If you will not be at least 18 years of age on the date of the next election.
If you are not eligible to vote in Wisconsin.
DMV does not have information regarding voter eligibility, poll locations, voter registration information or other election information. Please contact your local election officials or county clerk for election information. The Government Accountability Board is another useful source of information:

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers...ply/idcard.htm