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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA4NEB View Post
    Trains are a step back. China is blowing loads of money on HSR and they are now realizing it is a losing proposition.

    If you want trains to work we are going to have to do some major reworking of the national infrastructure. Most of you are going to have to move out of your homes and into dense neighborhoods with lots of multi family homes (most likely low rises). Forget about your back yard, forget the front yard, get use to someone living above you or below you, down the hall from you. The cost of HSR is way more than just putting tracks and buy trains to run on them.

    Trains are so last century...what we need is PRT (personal rapid transport). I suggest electric self driving vehicles that can make use of our infrastructure, gives us a lot of flexibility (compared to the fixed infrastructure of the train, and improve air travel options (which is much faster and fuel efficient than trains).
    But what about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Red Rick View Post
    If there was any money in it, don't you think a private company would have developed it? Amtra-never mind...

    Looking for that private ownership? How about... France? Nope, high-speed rails are ran/owned/funded by their government:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF

    Hong Kong? MTR Corp, with the majority shareholder being the government:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTR_Corporation

    Luxembourg? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemins...Luxembourgeois

    Lithuania? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Railways

    Macedonia? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makedonski_Zeleznici

    Holland? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nederlandse_Spoorwegen

    Russia? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RZhD

    Turkey? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_State_Railways

    Brazil? - Government (now out of business)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFFSA

    Venezuela? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institu...les_del_Estado

    Cameroon? - Private
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camrail

    Egypt? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Railways

    Just a few examples. The point is, people here like their freedom and aren't content to be stuck on a rail. What if there is a train wreck, and you still have 20 miles to the next stop, where you need to get off for work?
    you do realize there are in fact areas in this country where a significant percentage of people use public transportation, including trains, on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Red Rick View Post
    If there was any money in it, don't you think a private company would have developed it? Amtra-never mind...

    Looking for that private ownership? How about... France? Nope, high-speed rails are ran/owned/funded by their government:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF

    Hong Kong? MTR Corp, with the majority shareholder being the government:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTR_Corporation

    Luxembourg? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemins...Luxembourgeois

    Lithuania? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Railways

    Macedonia? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makedonski_Zeleznici

    Holland? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nederlandse_Spoorwegen

    Russia? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RZhD

    Turkey? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_State_Railways

    Brazil? - Government (now out of business)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFFSA

    Venezuela? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institu...les_del_Estado

    Cameroon? - Private
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camrail

    Egypt? - Government
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Railways

    Just a few examples. The point is, people here like their freedom and aren't content to be stuck on a rail. What if there is a train wreck, and you still have 20 miles to the next stop, where you need to get off for work?
    What if you get in a car wreck 20 miles from work? It's the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman View Post
    The above is just a small portion of a great article, here:

    http://www.economist.com/node/18620944
    From the posted excerpt: "The absence of true high-speed rail is a continuing embarrassment to the nation’s rail enthusiasts."

    What about those of us who are not rail enthusiasts? What if we are automobile enthusiasts and don't give a whiff about trains?

    If the rail enthusiasts are so embarrassed, and there is such a demand for a rail system, why don't all of these enthusiasts get together, put on their engineer caps, dump all of their money into one big pot and fund the construction of a rail line they could be proud of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squatchsker View Post
    Thanks for the info. So when the day comes it really wont be too hard to switch over. I guess now it is all in the hands of the lobbyists and the CEO's
    No still engineers, we have to figure out how to make it economically viable, when that happens we won't need CEOs and lobbyists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    I don't disagree that medicine and technology have developed at a rapid pace, but I also think that automotive engineering has been pretty impressive as well. The science of it is pretty impressive.
    Agree to disagree. I consider automotive technology advancements to be slightly incremental at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix:862747
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    Amen.
    It would be more practical for him to rent a truck on the limited occasions he chooses to use the camper.
    Let me guess, you are someone who asks for help to get something from home depot or needs help moving? . I put about 10,000 miles a year on my truck and I have never complained about gas prices. It is what it is. Does it change my decision making about when and where I go? Sure but I think everyone does that when gas is 3.79. My truck has a 22 gallon tank. So for a full fill up at 3.00 it would cost me 66.00. At 3.80, it would be 83.60. If 20 dollars a fill up effects me that much maybe I should look at other areas I am spending money. I know, people who drive more get hit harder that I do, but they don't affect me and my family. Maybe that's too simple of a way to look at it, but bo one has ever accused me of being complex

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    It probably could if you were willing to sacrifice the power gains over the years. An extended cab 4WD Chevy pickup in 1990 only put out 160 bhp and got 16 mpg in the city. The diesel engine available at the time only produced 135 bhp and also got 16 mpg.

    The 2012 Avalanche engine produces 320 bhp (double that of the 1990 gasoline and almost 140% more than the 1990 diesel) and gets a comparable 15 mpg in the city.

    I'm not criticizing you for owning an Avalanche, but there are plenty of vehicles that are capable of towing your camper that get much better gas mileage.
    Dont have a camper...just love me a truck...and I'm not arguing that there aren't better more practicle options for my needs but i just don't understand why a turbo charged diesel isn't standard by now...correct me if I'm wrong but a V-6 turbo diesel could get my avalanche at least 20 mpg city right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    I don't disagree that medicine and technology have developed at a rapid pace, but I also think that automotive engineering has been pretty impressive as well. The science of it is pretty impressive.
    All technology proceeds at about the same pace, engineers in each field have very similar tools and the basic principles are still the same for materials and the physical world. It is hard to compare the fields because they are targetted to vastly different boundary conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huskerpt34 View Post
    Let me guess, you are someone who asks for help to get something from home depot or needs help moving? .
    you would be mistaken. We have to own a high capacity vehicle for our company. Minivan is doing the trick right now. Just got rid of our Suburban because we didn't have to have two large vehicles.
    I put about 10,000 miles a year on my truck and I have never complained about gas prices.
    but if 9000 of those miles are to and from work i maintain that it makes more sense if you had a car and rented the truck when you needed it.
    It is what it is. Does it change my decision making about when and where I go? Sure but I think everyone does that when gas is 3.79. My truck has a 22 gallon tank. So for a full fill up at 3.00 it would cost me 66.00. At 3.80, it would be 83.60. If 20 dollars a fill up effects me that much maybe I should look at other areas I am spending money. I know, people who drive more get hit harder that I do, but they don't affect me and my family. Maybe that's too simple of a way to look at it, but bo one has ever accused me of being complex
    If we all did what was practical rather than what served our egos and superfluous wants, we'd be well on our way to a stable and long term oil free future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskheartguy View Post
    Dont have a camper...just love me a truck...and I'm not arguing that there aren't better more practicle options for my needs but i just don't understand why a turbo charged diesel isn't standard by now...correct me if I'm wrong but a V-6 turbo diesel could get my avalanche at least 20 mpg city right?
    Hell if I know. There are probably a number of engines that offer less hp and torque but better gas mileage. There are tradeoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squatchsker View Post
    True, all true. But is waxes of hypocrisy to post this then complain about how much fuel costs to power what you choose to drive.
    These are different topics, to some degree. We have to pay $4 a gallon for fuel because for decades we have had zero leadership on energy development and petroleum self-sustainment.

    Look, I'm not against alternative energy, so long as it provides the same benefits, just to be clear.
    http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/ne...troleum-story/

    It's just a lack of leadership (i.e. stifling refinery construction with red tape, making certain areas unavailable for oil/mineral extraction once the exploration has been completed, etc) that is the root of the complaint for high gas prices. Those prices don't have to be that high. We don't have to hang our livelihood on an unstable region of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskheartguy View Post
    Dont have a camper...just love me a truck...and I'm not arguing that there aren't better more practicle options for my needs but i just don't understand why a turbo charged diesel isn't standard by now...correct me if I'm wrong but a V-6 turbo diesel could get my avalanche at least 20 mpg city right?
    A turbo diesel would get it well north of 20mpg.
    Domestics think it is too expensive to produce diesels, VW has a different take and are profiting from it.
    The mentality will change as energy costs increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    Hell if I know. There are probably a number of engines that offer less hp and torque but better gas mileage. There are tradeoffs.
    The 3.5L V6 Ecoboost offers more HP and torque but better mileage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn View Post
    you do realize there are in fact areas in this country where a significant percentage of people use public transportation, including trains, on a daily basis.
    Yes, small, densely populated areas. That model works in those areas. It doesn't necessarily work in the rest of the country, which is why those projects should be paid for locally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    All technology proceeds at about the same pace, engineers in each field have very similar tools and the basic principles are still the same for materials and the physical world. It is hard to compare the fields because they are targetted to vastly different boundary conditions.
    Gordon Moore disagrees with you and so do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    The 3.5L V6 Ecoboost offers more HP and torque but better mileage.
    Well, there you go. Convince Chevy and Ford to start dropping those into their trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
    If we all did what was practical rather than what served our egos and superfluous wants, we'd be well on our way to a stable and long term oil free future.
    If you have a car you won't be oil free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
    no one has said you can't have one. The question is why do you need one. If it is to spite others and flaunt your ability to have one I don't think that is a good reason, or a practical one. No one has a right to tell you what to drive, but they do have a right to criticize you for making bad choices. Even if I don't agree with them doing so.



    I notice you don't want to take any crap from people about what you drive but don't give a second though about insulting our neighbor and giving I'm crap for what he drives. And that I think is one of our main problems as a society as we try to make better decisions about our driving habits.
    Ok, if you review what I posted, I think you misunderstood. What difference does it make why I need a huge truck that gets 8 miles to the gallon? That is my business/concern, and not anyone elses. The question "Why do you need one?" is rejected on premise. Then, you follow it up with "I don't think that it is a good reason..." etc. Once again, you may not think it's a good reason, but if I'm spending my money to buy it, then once again, it should make little to no difference to you on that which I choose to spend my money.

    Part two, if you read what I posted about giving crap, I only tease him about his moped, not his cars. And that is all in good neighborly fun, as stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
    Gordon Moore disagrees with you and so do I.
    I challenge you to take any computer controlled medical device (including the computer) and expose it too moving through road salt at up to 80 mph, go through snow and hail storms, let it set overnight in -40F temperatues, push it through knee deep mud, don't clean it for months on end, let it sit in thunderstorms and then let it sit outside over the course of 6 months and then see if it starts.
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