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    Quote Originally Posted by COsker View Post
    "Collective investment"? Folks can't bring themselves to call spending, spending.

    Somebody's writing stuff for the Obama campaign..or should be. Get their piece of the billions.
    It is spending. More specifically, it's investment.

    Never understand why some hate nuance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    You familiar with the expression "cut off your nose to spite your face"?

    Plus, distributing the massive growth in productivity and its profits is economically sound thinking because it encourages the masses to vote for pro growth initiatives, such as free trade, globalization and domestic training programs.

    And we need that block. Because I do think the system should remain democratic.
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    The system of choosing the best economic course should remain in the hands of politicians that are democratically elected, for many different reasons.
    "We need education in the obvious more than investigation of the obscure."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    The system of choosing the best economic course should remain in the hands of politicians that are democratically elected, for many different reasons.
    And which course have they chosen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    The system of choosing the best economic course should remain in the hands of politicians that are democratically elected, for many different reasons.
    Communist Russia was a democracy where politicians were elected and chose their economic course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    Communist Russia was a democracy where politicians were elected and chose their economic course.
    boy oh boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    The system of choosing the best economic course should remain in the hands of politicians that are democratically elected, for many different reasons.
    That is how we got 16 trillion dollars of debt, bridges to no where, a unoccupied federal office space costing us 20 billion dollars a year to maintain and secure annually...yup so many different reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA4NEB View Post
    That is how we got 16 trillion dollars of debt, bridges to no where, a unoccupied federal office space costing us 20 billion dollars a year to maintain and secure annually...yup so many different reasons.
    Boy oh boy.

    Read the thread.

    Man, talking to some on this board is worse than dealing with the media's obsession with pulling out isolated soundbites and building mountains out of molehills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    boy oh boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    Law school has been described as a place for the accumulation of learning. First-year students bring some in; third-year students take none away. Hence it accumulates
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    Do you believe that Soviet Russia was a functioning democracy? Yes or no?

    p.s. the way some celebrate a lack of education may be the truly biggest danger to this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    Do you believe that Soviet Russia was a functioning democracy? Yes or no?

    p.s. the way some celebrate a lack of education may be the truly biggest danger to this country.
    Actually it was a single party democracy (a word that you like, oligarchy) until about 1987 or so and then it wasn't functioning anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    Boy oh boy.

    Read the thread.

    Man, talking to some on this board is worse than dealing with the media's obsession with pulling out isolated soundbites and building mountains out of molehills.
    My post was a reaction to your post:

    The system of choosing the best economic course should remain in the hands of politicians that are democratically elected, for many different reasons.
    Status quo has been working great so far keep it going!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA4NEB View Post
    My post was a reaction to your post:



    Status quo has been working great so far keep it going!
    Where in the world are you getting that I'm for the status quo?

    Or are you for overthrowing our democratic process?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    Actually it was a single party democracy (a word that you like, oligarchy) until about 1987 or so and then it wasn't functioning anymore.
    A single party democracy that regularly won 99%+ of the vote.

    Is that a functioning democracy? Yes or no works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    Where in the world are you getting that I'm for the status quo?

    Or are you for overthrowing our democratic process?
    No I don't want to over throw the democratic process I just want less politicians manipulating the economy. The market is the ultimate democratic system but it needs oversight so that everyone is playing by the rules...We don't need more government we need less more focused government that isn't mucking around trying to run the market how they see fit.

    Oh your quote is all about the status quo...much of what you have written in this thread is status quo. Politicians picking winner and losers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    A single party democracy that regularly won 99%+ of the vote.

    Is that a functioning democracy? Yes or no works.
    Democracy has many meanings (from the world dictionary):
    1. government by the people or their elected representatives
    2. a political or social unit governed ultimately by all its members
    3. the practice or spirit of social equality
    4. a social condition of classlessness and equality
    5. the common people, esp as a political force
    They covered #1, 3 and 4
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA4NEB View Post
    No I don't want to over throw the democratic process I just want less politicians manipulating the economy. The market is the ultimate democratic system but it needs oversight so that everyone is playing by the rules...We don't need more government we need less more focused government that isn't mucking around trying to run the market how they see fit.

    Oh your quote is all about the status quo...much of what you have written in this thread is status quo. Politicians picking winner and losers...
    Im actually advocating less political manipulation and more accountability. Even started a thread on it today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land View Post
    Democracy has many meanings (from the world dictionary):

    They covered #1, 3 and 4
    Do you understand the difference between a function democracy and one that is democracy in name only?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLA4NEB View Post
    No I don't want to over throw the democratic process I just want less politicians manipulating the economy. The market is the ultimate democratic system but it needs oversight so that everyone is playing by the rules...We don't need more government we need less more focused government that isn't mucking around trying to run the market how they see fit.

    Oh your quote is all about the status quo...much of what you have written in this thread is status quo. Politicians picking winner and losers...
    I am not in for over-throwing the democratic process in place either, I just love how some posts go to the extreme and then when you reply, you are an extremist. I am a big proponent of less but more efficient government, that is a long way from over-throwing, it is kind of like the Medicare / Medicaid debate, if you change it, you are destroying it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    Do you understand the difference between a function democracy and one that is democracy in name only?
    I don't know, what is a functioning democracy?
    I think it is funny that the US has 2 major parties that stand for about 90% of the same things, but are very polarized on about 10% or so of the other issues. Better yet, both parties have very different reasons on how or why we achieve the same result in different ways and will constantly debate it, yet we still agree on about 90% of them. You yourself have used the term oligarchy to describe rich elites, can I ask you if the US has an oligarchy of 2 government-party elites? If you want to be elected into office here in the US you need to have the support of at least one of the 2 government-parties, if you don't have that backing, ie. chosen by one of the two parties, you do not have a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected. Is the US a functioning democracy because there are two parties and they see so many "drastic differences" in that 10%, is that 10% enough to separate us from the 90% we agree on and keep us out of the oligarchy definition, the very same oligarchy definition that you are trying to get me to say is a democracy in name only.
    I don't know, what is a democracy in name only?

    Now if I were a smart *** I would tell you that your question is a dumb question because technically Soviet Russia was really a Republic.

    Then I would tell you that the US is a Republic too.
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