Suing Big Beer and Small Business

[Big Red Rick]

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/09/425...s-lawsuit.html

Is this the fault of the business owners, that they have customers??? Should the vendors in White Clay be the subject of a lawsuit, is there really a case here? Or is this more of a plea to bring attention to the fact that many of the adults of the Pine Ridge Reservation are alcoholics who need help?

[Huskermedic]

So from reading that it sound like they sale beer to a legal business that is allowed to sale beer. The business then sales beer following the law to people 21 and over. Some of those people sale it to tribe members and that is the beer makers fault?

Is there a law on the books at the state level that says they could not sale beer to tribe members? Does that law require an id to prove people are not tribe members?

Just based off the read I am saying junk lawsuit.

[Ogahusker]

Sad to say but if Whiteclay didn't exist, alcoholism would still be a huge problem.

Are the booze salesmen taking advantage of a bad situation? Absolutely. Is anyone putting a gun to someones head forcing them to drink? Nope.

[RedPhoenix]

Capitalism for the WIN!

[RedPhoenix]

Anyone else find this funny as hell?

The sale, possession and consumption of alcohol is illegal on the Pine Ridge, where tribal members suffer from crippling poverty and alcoholism rates

"We can now begin to address the terrible harm to the Lakota people caused by Whiteclay alcohol sales," said OST vice president Tom Poor Bear.

[ColoREDo]

Sad to say but if Whiteclay didn't exist, alcoholism would still be a huge problem.

Are the booze salesmen taking advantage of a bad situation? Absolutely. Is anyone putting a gun to someones head forcing them to drink? Nope.

Yep. Alcohol is just one of those addictive, dangerous drugs that we welcome with open arms in this country. As it should be. Buyer beware.

[Huskers57]

legalize marijuana!


oops wrong thread.

[Squatchsker]

So, this is a very layered deal going on here. Bottom line is the lawsuit is abhorrent. BUT, last year the Highway Patrol did multiple stings in Whitclay where minors were consistently sold alcohol as well as after hours sales.

The lawsuit against private enterprise is, as stated above ridiculous in nature. Are the vendor's sales practices predatory? Yes, without a doubt. If the vendors in Whiteclay were following all pertinent laws it would make a little difference in my opinion of them but it still doesnt change a thing about the legality of what they are doing. I heard the Director of Nebraskan's For Peace on the radio this morning exhtolling the virtues of ethics through litigation and it made me nauseous.

The Reservation has its own issues, that include decades of dependence upon the US Gov't that have lead to the pentultimate entitlement state. The culture has been bred and reared on The Res for a long time, and the rampant alcoholism is merely a symbol of the pervasive attitudes.

This is the kind of lawsuit that has the potential to allow people to successfully sue fast food chains, tobacco retailers, car manufacturer's, et al to no end.

Where is the personal responsability?

[Huskers57]

Where is the personal responsability?

went out the window oh about 20 years ago.

[Big Red Rick]

So, this is a very layered deal going on here. Bottom line is the lawsuit is abhorrent. BUT, last year the Highway Patrol did multiple stings in Whitclay where minors were consistently sold alcohol as well as after hours sales.

The lawsuit against private enterprise is, as stated above ridiculous in nature. Are the vendor's sales practices predatory? Yes, without a doubt. If the vendors in Whiteclay were following all pertinent laws it would make a little difference in my opinion of them but it still doesnt change a thing about the legality of what they are doing. I heard the Director of Nebraskan's For Peace on the radio this morning exhtolling the virtues of ethics through litigation and it made me nauseous.

The Reservation has its own issues, that include decades of dependence upon the US Gov't that have lead to the pentultimate entitlement state. The culture has been bred and reared on The Res for a long time, and the rampant alcoholism is merely a symbol of the pervasive attitudes.

This is the kind of lawsuit that has the potential to allow people to successfully sue fast food chains, tobacco retailers, car manufacturer's, et al to no end.

Where is the personal responsability?

I heard that Nebraskan's for Peace nitwit too, on Voorhees. WORTHLESS. I thought NfP was an anti-war group. Guess they had to retool since their guy keeps getting us into wars!

This goes to show that no matter what the idealistic liberal cause, it always seems to boil down to them knowing what is best for everyone, and trying to put people out of business.

[RedPhoenix]

I heard that Nebraskan's for Peace nitwit too, on Voorhees. WORTHLESS. I thought NfP was an anti-war group. Guess they had to retool since their guy keeps getting us into wars!

This goes to show that no matter what the idealistic liberal cause, it always seems to boil down to them knowing what is best for everyone, and trying to put people out of business.

Yeah. Conservatives NEVER do anything like that.

[Big Red Rick]

I heard that Nebraskan's for Peace nitwit too, on Voorhees. WORTHLESS. I thought NfP was an anti-war group. Guess they had to retool since their guy keeps getting us into wars!

This goes to show that no matter what the idealistic liberal cause, it always seems to boil down to them knowing what is best for everyone, and trying to put people out of business.

Yeah. Conservatives NEVER do anything like that.

I can't think of any conservative groups (aside from anti-abortion crowds) trying to put people out of business. Or at the very least, the conservative groups don't hide their agenda behind some BS moniker like "Nebraskans for Peace". What does the plight of Lakota Indians from a reservation surrounded by South Dakota have ANYTHING to do with NfP? All NfP is doing is trying to make any kind of name for itself. Hell, even their request to "join us" is dated 2011 (bottom of the page). I guess no one has thought to change that, and no one has joined up for a while...

http://nfp.eplicanic.com/

Don't go to the link for too long, otherwise it might infect your computer with bedbugs and fecal matter.

[RedPhoenix]

Strip clubs. Porn. Bars. Just to name a quick 3 that I know of.

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

Strip clubs. Porn. Bars. Just to name a quick 3 that I know of.

I am conservative and I don't want any of them to go out of business

[RedPhoenix]

I am conservative and I don't want any of them to go out of business

Thats great for you. But seeing as how BRR was stereotyping and generalizing, your opinion doesn't count.

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

Thats great for you. But seeing as how BRR was stereotyping and generalizing, your opinion doesn't count.

and this?

Yeah. Conservatives NEVER do anything like that.

[Red Crawdad]

This strategy seems to be one of annoyance. Even though the lawsuit is frivolous and won't hold water, they're still forcing the industry and local stores to waste money and time on legal fees. This lawsuit also gets the focus back on White Clay.

I'm guessing that they're trying to use public sentiment as well as the time/money drain in fighting these continued threats to make the owners feel like it's not worth the effort to continue business there.

[RedPhoenix]

and this?

I guess you don't understand sarcasm or the tactic of using someone's own argument against them. I've got a lot still to teach you.

[Squatchsker]

I grew up close to White Clay, so I know of which I speak when I said the things that I wrote. I am also a recovering alcoholic, and that may make some of your heads explode considering my stance but so be it. They are trading in a legal commodity and until the do enough to get shut down for breaking the law people need to leave them alone (White Clay Retailers). Hell if I had the means I might just go up there and open up vendor number 5, and while checking on my interests on one side of the border do my level best to seek out those that want help to stop drinking on the other side of the border.

I am a walking paradox.

[BubbaGene]

I am a walking paradox.

Not to me...... I think you're just being sensible.