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    I wouldn't worry too much about Moore.
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    I disagree back.....no great schools on that offer list for a 4-star recruit....but then again I disagree with your whole stance on offers vs stars to begin with.....using your logic David, Amukamura. Dennard, Gomes etc etc. should not have been recruited as none of them had great offer lists....

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    I disagree that his offer list isn't impressive. Three Pac12 teams. In addition to that, anyone looking at it logically would note that some schools were worried about his academics, hence not offering him.

    For future references Red Reign, my general rule is to pay more attention to offers as opposed to star rankings. That's just a general rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Impaler View Post
    Can you enlighten us out of the loop who the rumblings are about?
    This was talked about over on the football board by 215, but Kerr (now off the team), Okafor, and Mitchell were the three generating the most rumblings I guess. AG, Turner, and Carnes have all been speculated, but from what I've heard/read, there isn't any truth to those three...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    I disagree back.....no great schools on that offer list for a 4-star recruit....but then again I disagree with your whole stance on offers vs stars to begin with.....using your logic David, Amukamura. Dennard, Gomes etc etc. should not have been recruited as none of them had great offer lists....

    Are you in an arguing mood today or what? Again, it's just a general rule. I put more stock into offers than I do star rankings. In other words, I put more stock into the evaluations of successful coaches than I put into recruiting services.

    It doesn't mean that all great recruits will have great offers. For the third time, generally speaking, I think offers are more valuable than star rankings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerNCorpus View Post
    I put more stock into the evaluations of successful coaches than I put into recruiting services.
    Interesting take on the recruiting thing. I hadn't thought of it that way. Makes sense that coaches would be better at judging talent and things other than measureables. I still think it is a crap shoot either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerNCorpus View Post
    Are you in an arguing mood today or what? Again, it's just a general rule. I put more stock into offers than I do star rankings. In other words, I put more stock into the evaluations of successful coaches than I put into recruiting services.

    It doesn't mean that all great recruits will have great offers. For the third time, generally speaking, I think offers are more valuable than star rankings.
    I'm definitely not a recruiting expert, but I always thought the two were fairly related. Aren't star ratings, at least to a certain degree, influenced by offers? I'll admit that this list doesn't seem typical for a 4-star recruit, but some of that may be due to his interest level, schools' needs, and grades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerJAG View Post
    I'm definitely not a recruiting expert, but I always thought the two were fairly related. Aren't star ratings, at least to a certain degree, influenced by offers? I'll admit that this list doesn't seem typical for a 4-star recruit, but some of that may be due to his interest level, schools' needs, and grades.
    I'd say very often, but not always.

    When I see a 3 STAR recruit like Valentine pile up the offers he has, I have to think the rating service miissed on his ranking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerNCorpus View Post
    I disagree that his offer list isn't impressive. Three Pac12 teams. In addition to that, anyone looking at it logically would note that some schools were worried about his academics, hence not offering him.
    I dont want to get into the argument between the recruiting services' rankings and a recruits offer list. I can see both points of view and to be honest, schools and service sites miss out on kids. I wanted to throw my on the offer list. I know there are examples of kids having a below average offer list and still being regarded as top recruits. Red Reign made some nice examples. Davian Shelton is another example. I think the question is more finding the list impressive overall? The way I would ask that is simple. Am I happy to have a kid choose my school over 3-5 other schools of comparable or better prestige. So looking at his offers of Oregon State, Nebraska, Arizona, Arizona State, Idaho, New Mexico, San Diego State, SMU, Utah State and Washington State. Taking away Nebraska, who are 3-5 schools you are happy to be taking away talent from for yourself. For someone who is so in favor of 'who else offered' I am surprised by your stance. Most of those schools are in the bottom half of the NCAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerNCorpus View Post
    I'd say very often, but not always.

    When I see a 3 STAR recruit like Valentine pile up the offers he has, I have to think the rating service miissed on his ranking.
    Agreed. Valentine is a 4**** talent IMO as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerNCorpus View Post
    I'd say very often, but not always.

    When I see a 3 STAR recruit like Valentine pile up the offers he has, I have to think the rating service miissed on his ranking.
    It is a bit strange when you compare the offer lists for Valentine and Shelton. They both carry 3-star ratings on Scout, but where they differ is that Valentine is the #38 DT and Shelton is the #93 S. Perhaps it's just that there is more of a need, or desire, to have good DTs on your team. Rivals is puzzling. They have Valentine as a 3-star, 5.7, #30 DT and Shelton as a 4-star, 5.8, #24 DB. Shelton is rated higher on all three, but again, perhaps the offer list has to do with needs. I don't know. I'm perplexed.
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    I dont want to get into the argument between the recruiting services' rankings and a recruits offer list. I can see both points of view and to be honest, schools and service sites miss out on kids. I wanted to throw my on the offer list. I know there are examples of kids having a below average offer list and still being regarded as top recruits. Red Reign made some nice examples. Davian Shelton is another example. I think the question is more finding the list impressive overall? The way I would ask that is simple. Am I happy to have a kid choose my school over 3-5 other schools of comparable or better prestige. So looking at his offers of Oregon State, Nebraska, Arizona, Arizona State, Idaho, New Mexico, San Diego State, SMU, Utah State and Washington State. Taking away Nebraska, who are 3-5 schools you are happy to be taking away talent from for yourself. For someone who is so in favor of 'who else offered' I am surprised by your stance. Most of those schools are in the bottom half of the NCAA.
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    Looks like he may decide closer to signing day.....Huskers it appears will get his commit.....could visit Tennessee....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    Looks like he may decide closer to signing day.....Huskers it appears will get his commit.....could visit Tennessee....
    His coach said he will announce next week and not this week. And he is possibly looking at Tennessee or Washington this weekend. He wasnt sure yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBHusker View Post
    His coach said he will announce next week and not this week. And he is possibly looking at Tennessee or Washington this weekend. He wasnt sure yet.
    Late push from Washington with Beavers DB coach Keith Heyward joining the Husky staff. Bringing Justin Wilcox and Peter Sirmon from Tennessee helps this push as well. I really like what Washington has done with their house cleaning on the defensive side of the ball. Wilcox and Sirmon are very good additions, but my favorite is stealing away Cal's DL coach, Tosh Lupoi. Lupoi is on par with anyone in the country in terms of recruiting. IMO he is clearly one of the top 5 recruiting coaches in the country. Tosh Lupoi is the coach I was yelling for the Huskers and Bo Pelini to consider. The Huskies hit a homerun with these three additions and with Lupoi, I predict a very strong influence in the state of California from here on out. Great pickups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2FL View Post
    Late push from Washington with Beavers DB coach Keith Heyward joining the Husky staff. Bringing Justin Wilcox and Peter Sirmon from Tennessee helps this push as well. I really like what Washington has done with their house cleaning on the defensive side of the ball. Wilcox and Sirmon are very good additions, but my favorite is stealing away Cal's DL coach, Tosh Lupoi. Lupoi is on par with anyone in the country in terms of recruiting. IMO he is clearly one of the top 5 recruiting coaches in the country. Tosh Lupoi is the coach I was yelling for the Huskers and Bo Pelini to consider. The Huskies hit a homerun with these three additions and with Lupoi, I predict a very strong influence in the state of California from here on out. Great pickups.
    Yup, I see Washington finishing strong. He has chosen them as his trip this weekend and not Tennessee. I am interested as to how NU will end up with this class as db. Especially with Leggett commiting to Marshall today and now how Shelton and UW could pan out(He had high praises for them today.) Could be interesting. I agree with you that Bo needs to get a couple strong commits. At least we have Seisay for a start.
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    Competing against Udub for Cali guys is going to be difficult every time. Other than husker tradition and probably some of the facilities they have a ton to offer. The view from stadium alone is huge selling point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBHusker View Post
    Yup, I see Washington finishing strong. He has chosen them as his trip this weekend and not Tennessee. I am interested as to how NU will end up with this class as db. Especially with Leggett commiting to Marshall today and now how Shelton and UW could pan out(He had high praises for them today.) Could be interesting. I agree with you that Bo needs to get a couple strong commits. At least we have Seisay for a start.
    If Nebraska loses out on Devian Shelton, I think they will put Ath. Alonzo Moore at CB to start his career. I think Moore and Peat are signing day Huskers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2FL View Post
    If Nebraska loses out on Devian Shelton, I think they will put Ath. Alonzo Moore at CB to start his career. I think Moore and Peat are signing day Huskers.
    Thank you, N2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Native View Post
    Competing against Udub for Cali guys is going to be difficult every time. Other than husker tradition and probably some of the facilities they have a ton to offer. The view from stadium alone is huge selling point.

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    I am from the Seattle area. The campus, stadium and overall football facilities at Nebraska are better than Washington. The Huskies have a pretty campus right on the Bay and are in the beginning stages of rebuilding their stadium which like you said is right on the water and does have a "Pacific Northwest" backdrop. The Huskies are a bit of a sleeping giant on the West Coast IMO. Look at the success the Huskies had in the mid-80's through the late 90's to see their potential. I am a huge fan of Steve Sarkisian. He boldly fired good friend Nick Holt. It was a very difficult decision to make but he knew it was the right one for the program. It shows he is willing to do whatever is needed to get his program to the elite level. He has already done wonders with their offense and overall recruiting classes have been generally in the top 25. He did an impressive job in his hires on the defensive side of the ball, hiring coaches with impressive resumes and proven track records.

    I think Washington, starting with the 2013 class, will join USC and Oregon as the schools you need to beat out for top California prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2FL View Post
    I am from the Seattle area. The campus, stadium and overall football facilities at Nebraska are better than Washington. The Huskies have a pretty campus right on the Bay and are in the beginning stages of rebuilding their stadium which like you said is right on the water and does have a "Pacific Northwest" backdrop. The Huskies are a bit of a sleeping giant on the West Coast IMO. Look at the success the Huskies had in the mid-80's through the late 90's to see their potential. I am a huge fan of Steve Sarkisian. He boldly fired good friend Nick Holt. It was a very difficult decision to make but he knew it was the right one for the program. It shows he is willing to do whatever is needed to get his program to the elite level. He has already done wonders with their offense and overall recruiting classes have been generally in the top 25. He did an impressive job in his hires on the defensive side of the ball, hiring coaches with impressive resumes and proven track records.

    I think Washington, starting with the 2013 class, will join USC and Oregon as the schools you need to beat out for top California prospects.
    I am a flatlander who got a UWash tour in 1998ish. View of Stadium out the ocean and them telling me 20,000 fans show up by boat.... impressive and sweet. I wasn't being recruited, the science labs where supposed to be what I was really looking at.... Even so, I know I was impressed.
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