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    Thumbs up John Talman Recruiting (1/10/12) Audio/w my notes: Glowing comments on Armstrong

    FYI.....

    ---Have to work harder at Nebraska to sell the school and program. Don't have the natural attributes of programs like Alabama and LSU to recruit from (didn't mention oversigning).

    ---Westerkamp decision was not a huge surprise to them.....when he talked about Notre Dame he did not get as excited as when he talked about Nebraska over the past few weeks.....also before he went to the Semper-Fi bowl he was tweeting back and forth with Husker commits McMullen and Rose....never did any of that with Notre Dame commits....the Husker staff over came the fact that his parents like Notre Dame and he is from outside Chicago ( a rich recruiting area for the Irish)....he is Catholic, goes to a Catholic High School....etc. etc.....Fisher and Garrison are the coaches he is closest to and when they sat down with him last week and described where he would fit in it was a success...Huge recommit to Nebraska...can't underestimate that....


    ---JUCO QB never visited Nebraska and does not have an offer.... (committed to Ole Miss late today) No clue how this whole 'story' got started...


    ---Tommie Armstrong because of the way he throws the ball (great arm) could come in and push Tyalor Martinez for the starting job...a real leader, who loves to compete and is not afraid of the
    competition of the atmosphere having played at the 5A level in Texas....really likes him (as do I ) The QB spot will get better with competiton with guys pushing each other....Talman likes him because of the way he throws the football....has a rocket arm and is accurate....more traditonal throwing style....can throw 40 yards down field and make it look easy....does not care how many QBs are in the class or on campus...wants to come in and win the job....very confident and as mentioned a leader....lot of positives both from a mental and physical standpoint on Tommie....can line up under center or in the shotgun with ease....strong arm as mentioned....Tommie is a very good QB who is mobile....

    ---Predicts Alonzo Moore will pick Nebraska on signing day.....WR/CB and could run the option (Wildcat) at QB from time to time as a change-up if needed...

    ---Does not see any commits in the near future.....

    ---Sebastian Smith (Ohio kid and Indiana decommit) will visit this weekend....had issues with grades that he has that fixed....thinks he could be a big steal for the Huskers.....Talman really likes him...no offer yet....could come this weekend...

    Thats all...






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    I will say I read today that Westerkamps dad was behind his decision 100% and happy for him....
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    Also heard today we have a real good shot at Curry who is visiting this weekend too...
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    RR, what can you speak of Carnes. With Armstrong coming in and the possibility of him possibly being number 3 quarterback, does he have more to offer? Like most athletes in high school, can you speak of him as a corner or safety, or any other position for that matter?

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    No they (Carnes & Armstrong) are both QBs....

    On film Carnes has the goods.....why he didn't play more was discussed a bit before the bowl game in that OWH article....

    I wouldn't give up on him just yet.....



    Quote Originally Posted by hrbhskr View Post
    RR, what can you speak of Carnes. With Armstrong coming in and the possibility of him possibly being number 3 quarterback, does he have more to offer? Like most athletes in high school, can you speak of him as a corner or safety, or any other position for that matter?
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    No word on Peat from Talman....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    FYI.....

    ---Tommie Armstrong because of the way he throws the ball (great arm) could come in and push Tyalor Martinez for the starting job...a real leader, who loves to compete and is not afraid of the
    competition of the atmosphere having played at the 5A level in Texas....really likes him (as do I ) The QB spot will get better with competiton with guys pushing each other....Talman likes him because of the way he throws the football....has a rocket arm and is accurate....more traditonal throwing style....can throw 40 yards down field and make it look easy....does not care how many QBs are in the class or on campus...wants to come in and win the job....very confident and as mentioned a leader....lot of positives both from a mental and physical standpoint on Tommie....can line up under center or in the shotgun with ease....strong arm as mentioned....Tommie is a very good QB who is mobile....
    I just cannot see Tommy Armstrong coming in and starting as a true-frosh. Nobody has been more critical of Taylor Martinez than I have. I just dont see Pelini opening up the competition enough to let anyone else in the door. It really confuses me too. Bo Pelini has shown the willingness to reshuffle players along the defensive backfield, the offensive and defensive lines, at WR...basically every position other than QB - and Martinez has definitely given Pelini the ammo to do so; he has played some bad games. Do I think Armstrong is capable of coming in and starting for a BCS team as a frosh, yes. I just dont see Pelini giving him a punchers chance in the fight.

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    He did replace Zac Lee with Martinez...so he has done it before...all we can assume is Carnes was not up to the challenge....as the article in the OWH touched on before the bowl game....

    So I guess we shall see....but he has done it before....






    Quote Originally Posted by N2FL View Post
    I just cannot see Tommy Armstrong coming in and starting as a true-frosh. Nobody has been more critical of Taylor Martinez than I have. I just dont see Pelini opening up the competition enough to let anyone else in the door. It really confuses me too. Bo Pelini has shown the willingness to reshuffle players along the defensive backfield, the offensive and defensive lines, at WR...basically every position other than QB - and Martinez has definitely given Pelini the ammo to do so; he has played some bad games. Do I think Armstrong is capable of coming in and starting for a BCS team as a frosh, yes. I just dont see Pelini giving him a punchers chance in the fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    No they (Carnes & Armstrong) are both QBs....

    On film Carnes has the goods.....why he didn't play more was discussed a bit before the bowl game in that OWH article....

    I wouldn't give up on him just yet.....
    I missed that OWH article...can you link to it please? Thanks.

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    >> Redshirt freshman Brion Carnes has “progressed” this season, but he’s still working through a constant learning process. A little bit too inconsistent right now, which isn’t comforting for a coach like Beck whose offense often relies on its quarterback to make key decisions. How does Carnes compare to starter Taylor Martinez? “Taylor’s just further advanced in the game management, identification of defenses, blitzes, coverages,” Beck said.
    http://sports.omaha.com/2011/12/28/n...rolinas-speed/



    Offensive coordinator Tim Beck said Wednesday that Carnes has taken positive steps this season, but reminds he's still a relatively young player.

    "It's hard, there's no timetable on him. He's still young, he's still a redshirt freshman," Beck said. "And basically last year, he took very little, if any, snaps at quarterback with the exception of some scout-team quarterback. So it's a complete learning process for the kid going through what he's going through this year. He consistently gets better.

    He's still inconsistent, which most young players are, and that's a tough thing to be when you're at the quarterback position. He's just got to continue to work on his consistency, because that guy (at quarterback) can cost you a game when he's inconsistent."

    Beck said he feels comfortable in playing Carnes. Of course, there's just one quarterback position, and Martinez owns it right now.

    "At this point right now, especially if I feel like Taylor's in a rhythm and running our offense, Taylor's just further advanced in the game management, identification of defenses, coverages, than Brion is," Beck said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2FL View Post
    I just cannot see Tommy Armstrong coming in and starting as a true-frosh. Nobody has been more critical of Taylor Martinez than I have. I just dont see Pelini opening up the competition enough to let anyone else in the door. It really confuses me too. Bo Pelini has shown the willingness to reshuffle players along the defensive backfield, the offensive and defensive lines, at WR...basically every position other than QB - and Martinez has definitely given Pelini the ammo to do so; he has played some bad games. Do I think Armstrong is capable of coming in and starting for a BCS team as a frosh, yes. I just dont see Pelini giving him a punchers chance in the fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2FL View Post
    I just cannot see Tommy Armstrong coming in and starting as a true-frosh. Nobody has been more critical of Taylor Martinez than I have. I just dont see Pelini opening up the competition enough to let anyone else in the door. It really confuses me too. Bo Pelini has shown the willingness to reshuffle players along the defensive backfield, the offensive and defensive lines, at WR...basically every position other than QB - and Martinez has definitely given Pelini the ammo to do so; he has played some bad games. Do I think Armstrong is capable of coming in and starting for a BCS team as a frosh, yes. I just dont see Pelini giving him a punchers chance in the fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    >> Redshirt freshman Brion Carnes has “progressed” this season, but he’s still working through a constant learning process. A little bit too inconsistent right now, which isn’t comforting for a coach like Beck whose offense often relies on its quarterback to make key decisions. How does Carnes compare to starter Taylor Martinez? “Taylor’s just further advanced in the game management, identification of defenses, blitzes, coverages,” Beck said.
    http://sports.omaha.com/2011/12/28/n...rolinas-speed/



    Offensive coordinator Tim Beck said Wednesday that Carnes has taken positive steps this season, but reminds he's still a relatively young player.

    "It's hard, there's no timetable on him. He's still young, he's still a redshirt freshman," Beck said. "And basically last year, he took very little, if any, snaps at quarterback with the exception of some scout-team quarterback. So it's a complete learning process for the kid going through what he's going through this year. He consistently gets better.

    He's still inconsistent, which most young players are, and that's a tough thing to be when you're at the quarterback position. He's just got to continue to work on his consistency, because that guy (at quarterback) can cost you a game when he's inconsistent."

    Beck said he feels comfortable in playing Carnes. Of course, there's just one quarterback position, and Martinez owns it right now.

    "At this point right now, especially if I feel like Taylor's in a rhythm and running our offense, Taylor's just further advanced in the game management, identification of defenses, coverages, than Brion is," Beck said.
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    Thanks. That provides some insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    Tommie Armstrong ...does not care how many QBs are in the class or on campus
    Love the quote / confidence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    He did replace Zac Lee with Martinez...so he has done it before...all we can assume is Carnes was not up to the challenge....as the article in the OWH touched on before the bowl game....

    So I guess we shall see....but he has done it before....
    Without opening up a can of worms......Zac Lee just wasn't all that good. His main competition was a true freshman who knew 15 plays and was still almost replaced by him in a rainy game in Columbia. His best game on the ground was about 60 yards in the Holiday Bowl yet he was referred to as a dual threat. I believe if we didn't have the transfer with Witt and injury to Spano, we would still have Green on the roster because he may have had a chance to redshirt and avoid the ridicule because he didn't blow everyone out as a true freshman and Lee may have been 3rd on the dept chart or possibly back up. Green's start as a true freshman came because Bo really had no choice. We had a terrible games against TTU & ISU and he needed to provide a spark so that we didn't loose our guys mentally the rest of the season.

    Martinez's games against aTm, OU, Whisky, Mich, USCarolina.......were nothing different from Lee's games against TTU, yet with Lee, Bo sat & gave Green the fourth qtr to make a case for himself so that after the next terrible occurance (ISU game) he had confidence having the 18 year old starting the game. The leash with Martinez is way too long, IMO. I'm not trying to say throw him out but more of give another guy a chance to make mistakes. I know it's the coaches who evaluate everyday in practice and the film room, etc, but really it's hard for me to believe he is as bad as being projected to the media, because our current QB is not exactly a "world beater" as of lately.

    Again I hope this doesn't fuel a misdirection of the thread, but I would like for the competition to actually become a competition at that position. We have a lot of young talent on our roster in Carnes, Kellogg, & Turner (even Marsh), and the guys coming in (& possibly coming in) could only add to that. Each can actually make each other better. Just looking at Martinez's face on the sideline after fumbling, throwing an INT, or taking a sack that took them out of FG range, he just doesn't look to have the worry about, I may sit out on the next series because of that....which then causes him to go out and have a repeated performance.
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    I'm not looking for perfection, but you have to feel that every time Bo saw TM about to be interviewed he had to have a serious case of butt clench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarstheRed View Post
    I'm not looking for perfection, but you have to feel that every time Bo saw TM about to be interviewed he had to have a serious case of butt clench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    FYI.....

    ---Have to work harder at Nebraska to sell the school and program. Don't have the natural attributes of programs like Alabama and LSU to recruit from (didn't mention oversigning).

    ---Westerkamp decision was not a huge surprise to them.....when he talked about Notre Dame he did not get as excited as when he talked about Nebraska over the past few weeks.....also before he went to the Semper-Fi bowl he was tweeting back and forth with Husker commits McMullen and Rose....never did any of that with Notre Dame commits....the Husker staff over came the fact that his parents like Notre Dame and he is from outside Chicago ( a rich recruiting area for the Irish)....he is Catholic, goes to a Catholic High School....etc. etc.....Fisher and Garrison are the coaches he is closest to and when they sat down with him last week and described where he would fit in it was a success...Huge recommit to Nebraska...can't underestimate that....


    ---JUCO QB never visited Nebraska and does not have an offer.... (committed to Ole Miss late today) No clue how this whole 'story' got started...


    ---Tommie Armstrong because of the way he throws the ball (great arm) could come in and push Tyalor Martinez for the starting job...a real leader, who loves to compete and is not afraid of the
    competition of the atmosphere having played at the 5A level in Texas....really likes him (as do I ) The QB spot will get better with competiton with guys pushing each other....Talman likes him because of the way he throws the football....has a rocket arm and is accurate....more traditonal throwing style....can throw 40 yards down field and make it look easy....does not care how many QBs are in the class or on campus...wants to come in and win the job....very confident and as mentioned a leader....lot of positives both from a mental and physical standpoint on Tommie....can line up under center or in the shotgun with ease....strong arm as mentioned....Tommie is a very good QB who is mobile....

    ---Predicts Alonzo Moore will pick Nebraska on signing day.....WR/CB and could run the option (Wildcat) at QB from time to time as a change-up if needed...

    ---Does not see any commits in the near future.....

    ---Sebastian Smith (Ohio kid and Indiana decommit) will visit this weekend....had issues with grades that he has that fixed....thinks he could be a big steal for the Huskers.....Talman really likes him...no offer yet....could come this weekend...

    Thats all...






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    Outside of being smack dab in the middle of the backyard of many great recruits, what the he!! does that mean? We don't have a complete sheister for a head coach? Because as far as education, facilities, and football are concerned Nebraska has every bit of opportunity to be successful as do the recruits.

    We don't change our uni's every two games and don't always have 90 deg weather...does the harsh winter that we have every few years hurt? Sure, but outside of distance I am really getting tired of this can't compete for top recruits junk. As a top flight WR why would you go to Bama? They ran the ball and played the Field position game all season long, they passed well enough to be effective but not to have a 1,000 yd receiver.....sorry, some comments really tick me off

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerRedDread:815119
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    He did replace Zac Lee with Martinez...so he has done it before...all we can assume is Carnes was not up to the challenge....as the article in the OWH touched on before the bowl game....

    So I guess we shall see....but he has done it before....
    Without opening up a can of worms......Zac Lee just wasn't all that good. His main competition was a true freshman who knew 15 plays and was still almost replaced by him in a rainy game in Columbia. His best game on the ground was about 60 yards in the Holiday Bowl yet he was referred to as a dual threat. I believe if we didn't have the transfer with Witt and injury to Spano, we would still have Green on the roster because he may have had a chance to redshirt and avoid the ridicule because he didn't blow everyone out as a true freshman and Lee may have been 3rd on the dept chart or possibly back up. Green's start as a true freshman came because Bo really had no choice. We had a terrible games against TTU & ISU and he needed to provide a spark so that we didn't loose our guys mentally the rest of the season.

    Martinez's games against aTm, OU, Whisky, Mich, USCarolina.......were nothing different from Lee's games against TTU, yet with Lee, Bo sat & gave Green the fourth qtr to make a case for himself so that after the next terrible occurance (ISU game) he had confidence having the 18 year old starting the game. The leash with Martinez is way too long, IMO. I'm not trying to say throw him out but more of give another guy a chance to make mistakes. I know it's the coaches who evaluate everyday in practice and the film room, etc, but really it's hard for me to believe he is as bad as being projected to the media, because our current QB is not exactly a "world beater" as of lately.

    Again I hope this doesn't fuel a misdirection of the thread, but I would like for the competition to actually become a competition at that position. We have a lot of young talent on our roster in Carnes, Kellogg, & Turner (even Marsh), and the guys coming in (& possibly coming in) could only add to that. Each can actually make each other better. Just looking at Martinez's face on the sideline after fumbling, throwing an INT, or taking a sack that took them out of FG range, he just doesn't look to have the worry about, I may sit out on the next series because of that....which then causes him to go out and have a repeated performance.
    I agree with the need for competition at qb to help whoever is the starter is to improve by being pushed by the #2 and #3 guys. My theory this year on qb playing time is threefold. First is that Bo feels he learned some things by throwing Cody out there probably before he was truly ready and that had a long term effect on his overall development at the position and he doesn't want a repeat of that with brion. Second, with the new offense he wanted to give Taylor all the game reps in hopes it would payoff down the road...more gametime snaps in the offense hopefully would lead to more consistency and comfort in the system. Finally, they did the whole pull the qb for mistakes, etc style to varying degrees in '09 and '10 and never really got the results expected and so I don't know that the coaching staff buys into it anymore.

    Another year in the system for brion as well as the incoming/existing talent at the position and I think Taylor will really be pushed this spring. Hopefully that translates to improved passing and overall continued improvement you would expect to see in a 3rd year qb.

    Just my two cents anyway

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    If you followed recruiting you would understand that it is not easy recruiting to Nebraska.....we do not have the natural advantages of Texas, Louisiana, Florida, California, Ohio etc. etc. where they can pick and choose for the local in-state kids and finish off the classes with a few out of state kids....

    Nebraska has to recruit nation wide....curious about your comment that 'we are smack db in the middle of the backyard of many great recruits'...could not disagree with you more....and yes weather is a factor with many recruits as is distance....like it or not....

    Sorry but Talman is correct in what he said....like it or not....shouldn't tick you off its a fact and you and others need to be more aware just how hard it is to recruit to Nebraska....and just how good this staff has done and done so honestly and with integrity....


    Quote Originally Posted by Scrollsker View Post
    Outside of being smack dab in the middle of the backyard of many great recruits, what the he!! does that mean? We don't have a complete sheister for a head coach? Because as far as education, facilities, and football are concerned Nebraska has every bit of opportunity to be successful as do the recruits.

    We don't change our uni's every two games and don't always have 90 deg weather...does the harsh winter that we have every few years hurt? Sure, but outside of distance I am really getting tired of this can't compete for top recruits junk. As a top flight WR why would you go to Bama? They ran the ball and played the Field position game all season long, they passed well enough to be effective but not to have a 1,000 yd receiver.....sorry, some comments really tick me off
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    I think allot of fans have....makes sense why he did not see the field much this year....Talman's point was he thought Tommie Armstrong was much more mature than Brion and he expected him to be able to come in and push Martinez for the starting job....


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    I totally missed these articles....
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