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    Quote Originally Posted by nebstud2001 View Post
    Question then FLAS...

    We have scholarships left, correct? If so, then how would C. Jax be an over-sign? Or are you just guessing that the two scholarships will be awarded to walk-ons and that if he qualifies, CJ would then be an over-sign. Despite the fact that not counted in your numbers are those scholarships that are being vacated by the two early grads and the one dismissed player. Because those vacancies occurred / are occurring to late for them to be counted in this recruiting cycle.

    I'm also wondering, given the ultra strict conference rules, does it not just make sense to always tell the conference office every year that you are going to over-sign be the maximum allowed number (3?) just so you can if you need to. Then, given the rules, only actually do it in these cases where you can easily justify doing so (because the conference makes you jump through hoops to prove you're not being dirty) because you have early grads or other situations of justified early endings to scholarships, so you're not accused of forcing people out?
    Oversigning has nothing to do with how many scholarships are available. How many graduating seniors, JR's leaving early for NFL, and open scholarships you have at the end of the season that determines recruiting budget. We had 14 seniors and 2-3 open scholarships. Our recruiting budget is therefore 16-17 (since I have not been able to determine whether Marrow was on scholarship this past semester).

    Anything over that "budget" is an oversigning situation. Seisay should count against 2011 class, so remove him from the equation of this year's class. (Minnesota signed 31 players, including 6 mid-term jucos that count against last year's class, by the way) That means we have 16 players in this class RIGHT NOW. If our budget was 16, we are OK. If it's 17, we are one under right now.

    All leaving players (Kerr, Okafor, Ward, Williams) have been accounted for, and that's WHY we have two extra scholarships at this point. Seisay is already on campus and counted in the scholarship numbers as well. I am counting Marrow as being on scholarship in 2012, by the way.

    You have to notify the Big 10 office AND you have to tell them WHO is being oversigned. (If one of those players goes elsewhere, you can substitute another.) So, I'm not sure you can just tell the Big10 office you want to oversign 3 and leave it at that.

    So, here is a hypothetical. Let's say our recruiting budget was 16 this year. We signed 17 players, Seisay counts against 2011, so we are at 16 and we have two schollies available. We know CJax is out there, so we notified the Big 10 of our intent to use the oversigning exemption. We list CJax as the oversignee. There's talk that there may be another one or two out there, so we tell them we are also anticipating oversigning Player X and Player Y also. Player X doesn't qualify. Player Y shows up, CJax qualifies. We have "oversigned" by 2, but we are net zero on available scholarships until some open up.

    Clear enough?

    (this is all from what I understand thus far, so no absolute guarantee of accuracy)
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    The way I interpret things is that we could've signed 21 or 22 (pending on the timelines of Williams) this year.

    We have to make a good faith estimate of sorts to the Big 10 on or before signing day of what will be available.

    We were down 1 from last class with Jackson not making it. Less 14 seniors and less Okafor, Ward and Kerr and we are down to 67 spots accounted for, for next year. That means we can sign the 18 to get to the 85 and an additional 3 on top of that.

    If Jackson were to make it, he'd obviously count in that group of 21.

    We could conceivably sign 4, possibly 5 more guys if we saw fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jslsker View Post
    The way I interpret things is that we could've signed 21 or 22 (pending on the timelines of Williams) this year.

    We have to make a good faith estimate of sorts to the Big 10 on or before signing day of what will be available.

    We were down 1 from last class with Jackson not making it. Less 14 seniors and less Okafor, Ward and Kerr and we are down to 67 spots accounted for, for next year. That means we can sign the 18 to get to the 85 and an additional 3 on top of that.

    If Jackson were to make it, he'd obviously count in that group of 21.

    We could conceivably sign 4, possibly 5 more guys if we saw fit.
    I don't agree, unless we had signed more midterm JUCO's.

    82 or 83 on scholarship at end of season, 14 seniors. There's your recruiting budget. 16 or 17 with the option to oversign by 3.


    Previous class NQ's are irrelevant unless we are trying to count guys backward. We had as many as 5-6 slots left from memory for last year and only one MT JUCO in Seisay. He doesn't count against 2012 class budget, nor would have any other mid- term guys. Okafor and Ward do not add to the recruiting budget, as they were on scholarship at end of season, not graduating or exhausting eligibility, and still are on scholarship until they graduate in May. Kerr already was counted, since he wasn't with the team at the end of the semester and counted in the number below 85 we were sitting at in Dec.

    Okafor and Ward do open 2 schollies for this class, which was the reason it was announced early, I suspect. As it stands, we haven't filled those yet. We signed 16 that count against this class. We either have one remaining budget slot open, or non, plus any oversigns, which will be easily justified by Okafor/Ward.
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    I don't agree, unless we had signed more midterm JUCO's.

    82 or 83 on scholarship at end of season, 14 seniors. There's your recruiting budget. 16 or 17 with the option to oversign by 3.


    Previous class NQ's are irrelevant unless we are trying to count guys backward. We had as many as 5-6 slots left from memory for last year and only one MT JUCO in Seisay. He doesn't count against 2012 class budget, nor would have any other mid- term guys. Okafor and Ward do not add to the recruiting budget, as they were on scholarship at end of season, not graduating or exhausting eligibility, and still are on scholarship until they graduate in May. Kerr already was counted, since he wasn't with the team at the end of the semester and counted in the number below 85 we were sitting at in Nov.

    Okafor and Ward do open 2 schollies for this class, which was the reason it was announced early, I suspect. As it stands, we haven't filled those yet. We signed 16 that count against this class. We either have one remaining budget slot open, or non, plus any oversigns, which will be easily justified by Okafor/Ward.
    Okafor and Ward increase the budget. The number of spots is forecasted for the next year, not as of signing day.


    http://sports.omaha.com/2012/02/01/r...les-refresher/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jslsker View Post
    Okafor and Ward increase the budget. The number of spots is forecasted for the next year, not as of signing day.


    http://sports.omaha.com/2012/02/01/r...les-refresher/
    It sure would have helped if you would posted that before I went back through the entire rundown. I had not seen that article, and nothing in any of the rundowns posted to date mentioned anything about making a 'good faith assessment' that included the spring semester.

    I added this to the oversignng primer thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jslsker View Post
    Okafor and Ward increase the budget. The number of spots is forecasted for the next year, not as of signing day.


    http://sports.omaha.com/2012/02/01/r...les-refresher/
    And thank you, btw. I updated our recruiting budget to include the 2 early grads and Williams...he was gone before signing day, I think. I may be 1-2 off, but it's closer now.

    Added J McCrae as a possible signee. CJax looking more likely. We have two schollies left. I think we end up at 18 signees counting Zaire against last year's class. I think we would have at least one budget slot left.

    Now the numbers balance perfectly if Marrow's on schollie. I gotta think he is until I see something that contradicts it. Any defections should open up schollies for one more possible late signee or deserving walk-ons.
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    K Cooper to transfer, added commit #2
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    Sorry for no updates recently-been busy. I had a bunch of edits done, I thought, but my iPad wiped them out everytime I went back and forth to the roster page. D'oh!!
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    Subtract Dijon Washington.

    http://huskerextra.com/article_4880c...18c668c80.html

    Never really could get into the mix, even at our most pressing position--FS.

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    Finally got around to doing an update. As always, please check my math and my listings, but they should be accurate based on latest roster.

    Lot of walk-ons gone, including big TE R. Barry.

    Based on new numbers and roster updates, I'm showing 4 open schollies and 18-19 SR's, depending on whether Fisher gets a ME6. Total class size is now around 22-23 plus possible oversigns up to 26, + TR's, etc - walk-ons given scholarships. I would likely see 2 scholarships going to SR walkons, putting this class size around 20-21 plus pTR/******. We are approximately half done.

    SR walk-on candidates: Maher (no-brainer) and Choi (very likely), Blatchford/Stoddard/Dean/Jackson (possible, not probable)

    JR walk-on candidates: S. Long (no-brainer), J. Long (likely)

    In order: 1. Maher/S.Long, 3. Choi, 4. J. Long, other
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    Dixon decommit. Brown is now a probable NQ for fall. Still a chance, but he has to pass two classes and get cleared. Might be an aGS/late enrollee like jackson or heard.

    Adjusted some #'s accordingly.
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    Updated with new fall roster. Picked up a few more FR walk-ons. Jr K Ziola TR from Chadron last year also...I had him on previous year's list and he wasn't on the official roster while IE.

    Thomas Brown is the only question mark left in the incoming class. Thus we have 4 or 5 schollies available now.

    I'll go with this list as the most likely walkons to put on schollie, virtually unchanged. We obviously would like those 4-5 'ships in the 2013 class, but we only have 16 jrs on schollie, so next year is looking a little thin for recruiting budget and it might be wise to put some eggs in that basket this year to keep balance.

    JR S. Long
    SR Maher
    SR Choi

    I think those three are no-brainers. All starters, Long and Maher both on preseason awards lists. Assuming we have 1 or maybe two left, here's the remaining list of probables...hard to pick any one over the others as it kind of depends where they shake out in fall camp. Blatchford and Stoddard are special teams guys, Jackson is competing for starting C job, Long is #3 TE and Roach was #2 MLB in spring.

    SR Blatchford, Jackson, Stoddard
    JR J Long
    SO T Roach
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    Interesting point I just discovered. We currently only have one FWO on scholarship, and that's Mangieri (SR) who was recruited to be our LS and given a scholarship after one year.
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    80 people on scholarship now correct?
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    Yup, pending Moore and Afalava being cleared.
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    Thanks.
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    Klachko out, Hannon N.
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    J. Cook is N
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    Added J. Rose, TR-Auburn. 4/3 will RS and be IE in 2012, rSO in 2013. Down to 4 open schollies and this jives with what is in the press.
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