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    Went to the game, watched the game, lost the game

    Great afternoon for a basketball game NU vs MSU in Lincoln today.

    The pre-game was decent, got the crowd and players pumped up. Huskers get off to a quick start but unfortunately the game didn't end in the first 15 minutes. Doc's teams struggle at playing 40 minutes. I heard from numerous fans that Doc needs to go and of course I agreed. Is TO really going to give him 4-5 more years? Wow! I will say The Bob did look old from the outside and inside, the Fairgrounds around The Bob looked pathetic. Who is in charge of making sure the grounds are kept up........ridiculous. The person in charge should be FIRED!

    The main issues with this team have been reinforced after watching them in person.
    1) No play makers except for #23
    2) We were down 7 with 1 minute to go and Doc OR players are working the ball around like they need to milk the shot clock.....wow I think they have been conditioned like a pavlov dog to not take shots early (sadly, even when they are losing and they need one)
    3) No offensive rebounding, every shot we took at least 3 players sprinted back after the shot........no one crashes the boards. This is really bad coaching and a clear sign of playing "not to lose"
    4) Our man-to-man defense is ok, no surprise since Doc is good at coaching defense
    5) No full court press at all, never mixed up our defense........strange coaching
    6) I think we had 1 or 2 fast break baskets............amazing at this level of basketball
    7) No post game at all
    8) Ubel and Niemann need to work on the pick and roll, they are absolutely no threat in that series

    Lil' Red was actually more entertaining than the basketball team.

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    I suppose with the State Fair no longer in Lincoln, many of those buildings on the fair grounds will simply waste away. Maybe years from now, UNL will expand into that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman View Post
    I suppose with the State Fair no longer in Lincoln, many of those buildings on the fair grounds will simply waste away. Maybe years from now, UNL will expand into that area.

    MANY of the building are torn down. Amoung them the exibit hall across for the BOB, The outdoor covered show stage, The food court building, the livestock buildings, the 4-H show areana, and many more. Problem is much of it looks like a war zone with grass seed spread on it for a years attempt at groth.

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    Here is a quick markup of what I think has been torn down to date. This is from memory but is close.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman View Post
    I suppose with the State Fair no longer in Lincoln, many of those buildings on the fair grounds will simply waste away. Maybe years from now, UNL will expand into that area.
    HWM, UNL owns this property now and is creating Innovation Campus. Lots of info on it here. I think this is a great think for the city of Lincoln. A lot of good info at this site.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pitch View Post
    Great afternoon for a basketball game NU vs MSU in Lincoln today.

    The pre-game was decent, got the crowd and players pumped up. Huskers get off to a quick start but unfortunately the game didn't end in the first 15 minutes. Doc's teams struggle at playing 40 minutes. I heard from numerous fans that Doc needs to go and of course I agreed. Is TO really going to give him 4-5 more years? Wow! I will say The Bob did look old from the outside and inside, the Fairgrounds around The Bob looked pathetic. Who is in charge of making sure the grounds are kept up........ridiculous. The person in charge should be FIRED!
    The grounds are being torn up as they're prepping to build "Innovation Campus".

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    The main issues with this team have been reinforced after watching them in person.
    1) No play makers except for #23
    Injuries have had a tremendous effect. Talley would be a great addition. McCray is getting treatment on his foot but does show flashes (#0).....Walker has been getting treatment for his back, we sure could use Diaz, whether you recognize his positives or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by pitch View Post
    2) We were down 7 with 1 minute to go and Doc OR players are working the ball around like they need to milk the shot clock.....wow I think they have been conditioned like a pavlov dog to not take shots early (sadly, even when they are losing and they need one)
    They need to run the offense. I thought they did a much better job of that Saturday. Jacking up shots for the sake of jacking up shots leads to a dwindling shot percentage and no FT's.

    Quote Originally Posted by pitch View Post
    3) No offensive rebounding, every shot we took at least 3 players sprinted back after the shot........no one crashes the boards. This is really bad coaching and a clear sign of playing "not to lose"
    Chosen strategy and a very sharp coaching move by Doc. MSU likes to force their pace on a team. We pretty much kept them from that. They outsized us, especially in bulk, big time. You could really see that when you watched the inside game. Niemann was the only player that could provide much resistance, but he's still a foul waiting to happen as he regains familiarity with the court, not that he'll ever be very smooth.

    Quote Originally Posted by pitch View Post
    4) Our man-to-man defense is ok, no surprise since Doc is good at coaching defense
    Agreed

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    5) No full court press at all, never mixed up our defense........strange coaching
    As you noted earlier, we dropped 3 back immediately. You pick your poison. You take something away, conversely you give something up. We chose to wait until the ball got into their all-conference Fwd's hands and trapped from different directions in the second half. Although he's a very good player you probably noticed how often he panicked and launched passes into the crowd. This strategy helped us make the last run where we closed within 3 toward the latter-mid portion of the second half.

    Unfortunately, the effort expended may have had something to do with some of our players losing their legs which may very well have led to missed shots later in the game by key players that were hitting earlier, IMO.

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    6) I think we had 1 or 2 fast break baskets............amazing at this level of basketball

    MSU wanted us to start running up and down the court. It's hard to say, but I think we made the right choice. You saw the teams. That was a VERY impressive team physically.

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    7) No post game at all
    We need Diaz. He may seem soft, but he can be surprisingly effective against physical inside players. You might remember him having stretches where he outplayed KU's Cole Aldrich in many ways a few years ago.

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    8) Ubel and Niemann need to work on the pick and roll, they are absolutely no threat in that series

    Lil' Red was actually more entertaining than the basketball team.
    I actually felt a LOT better after this game than I did after the Wisconsin game, although I thought Wisconsin seemed to can an awful lot of shots with a hand in their face(against good "D").

    Doc really did a good job and the players stepped up and showed fight throughout this game. If we play with this effort the rest of the year we'll have some highlights.

    It would certainly help if some of the health issues would start working out in our favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBigfRed View Post
    The grounds are being torn up as they're prepping to build "Innovation Campus".



    Injuries have had a tremendous effect. Talley would be a great addition. McCray is getting treatment on his foot but does show flashes (#0).....Walker has been getting treatment for his back, we sure could use Diaz, whether you recognize his positives or not.



    They need to run the offense. I thought they did a much better job of that Saturday. Jacking up shots for the sake of jacking up shots leads to a dwindling shot percentage and no FT's.



    Chosen strategy and a very sharp coaching move by Doc. MSU likes to force their pace on a team. We pretty much kept them from that. They outsized us, especially in bulk, big time. You could really see that when you watched the inside game. Niemann was the only player that could provide much resistance, but he's still a foul waiting to happen as he regains familiarity with the court, not that he'll ever be very smooth.



    Agreed



    As you noted earlier, we dropped 3 back immediately. You pick your poison. You take something away, conversely you give something up. We chose to wait until the ball got into their all-conference Fwd's hands and trapped from different directions in the second half. Although he's a very good player you probably noticed how often he panicked and launched passes into the crowd. This strategy helped us make the last run where we closed within 3 toward the latter-mid portion of the second half.

    Unfortunately, the effort expended may have had something to do with some of our players losing their legs which may very well have led to missed shots later in the game by key players that were hitting earlier, IMO.




    MSU wanted us to start running up and down the court. It's hard to say, but I think we made the right choice. You saw the teams. That was a VERY impressive team physically.



    We need Diaz. He may seem soft, but he can be surprisingly effective against physical inside players. You might remember him having stretches where he outplayed KU's Cole Aldrich in many ways a few years ago.



    I actually felt a LOT better after this game than I did after the Wisconsin game, although I thought Wisconsin seemed to can an awful lot of shots with a hand in their face(against good "D").

    Doc really did a good job and the players stepped up and showed fight throughout this game. If we play with this effort the rest of the year we'll have some highlights.

    It would certainly help if some of the health issues would start working out in our favor.
    Wow...you still see nothing wrong with this team?

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    Chosen strategy and a very sharp coaching move by Doc. MSU likes to force their pace on a team. We pretty much kept them from that. They outsized us, especially in bulk, big time. You could really see that when you watched the inside game. Niemann was the only player that could provide much resistance, but he's still a foul waiting to happen as he regains familiarity with the court, not that he'll ever be very smooth.
    lol.. There is some seriously troubling issues in this statement.

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    What? Did you guys expect anything other than glowing praise of Crock's coaching job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilsker View Post
    What? Did you guys expect anything other than glowing praise of Crock's coaching job?
    If it wasn't so sad it would be funny wouldn't it? Blind loyalty to the end.

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    thanks, nebugeater and impaler... i had no idea what the plans were for the fair grounds... but had a feeling UNL would eventually do something with the land... looks like a great plan. by the way, do they still hold the lancaster county fair on the state fair grounds (even with it being mostly a pile of rubble now)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman View Post
    thanks, nebugeater and impaler... i had no idea what the plans were for the fair grounds... but had a feeling UNL would eventually do something with the land... looks like a great plan. by the way, do they still hold the lancaster county fair on the state fair grounds (even with it being mostly a pile of rubble now)?
    Not sure, but I think Lancaster County Fair has it's own grounds out on Cornhusker Highway. In fact, I think the debate for the State Fair was between Grand Island or Lancaster Fair Grounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Impaler View Post
    Not sure, but I think Lancaster County Fair has it's own grounds out on Cornhusker Highway. In fact, I think the debate for the State Fair was between Grand Island or Lancaster Fair Grounds.
    oh yes... i know what you're talking about ... it's the complex out on 84th street (not far from cornhusker hwy/hwy 6). though i don't know that the area is currently enough to sustain the state fair (obviously not a concern right now with it being in grand island).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman View Post
    oh yes... i know what you're talking about ... it's the complex out on 84th street (not far from cornhusker hwy/hwy 6). though i don't know that the area is currently enough to sustain the state fair (obviously not a concern right now with it being in grand island).

    The Lancaster fair has not been at the STG for quite a few years. If the Lancaster Events Center would ahve been chosen as the state fair site there would have been a lot of building to do, as there was / is in Grand Island.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman View Post
    oh yes... i know what you're talking about ... it's the complex out on 84th street (not far from cornhusker hwy/hwy 6). though i don't know that the area is currently enough to sustain the state fair (obviously not a concern right now with it being in grand island).
    Tha fair is in GI to stay to be sure. There is a lot of investment that's gone on there to try and make it feasible. There would have had to have been probably the same commitment had they chosen the Lincoln site. At any rate, Innovation Park looks like a really great thing to happen to Lincoln, hopefully they can attract the kinds of partnerships they are looking for.

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